A simple little pleasure, learning stuff....401 WSL

WB
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Friday, September 27, 2019, 07:48 (2526 days ago)

Slipped off yesterday for a moment to do some testing. I have made .401 WSL cases from both .414 SuperMag and 7.62x39 Russian. The Supermag modded cases mimic original semi-rimmed cases perfectly (at the expense of considerable skill and effort). However the Russian blown straight are truly rimless. In like fashion the .351 WSL cases made from rimless 5.56mm also worked perfectly. I am at a bit of a loss as to why, and ponder the headspace, with not even a hint of rim while using a mild roll crimp. (.41 Rem. Magnum dies) I just bet the throat is very shallow and holds the case sufficient to allow the firing pin to fully indent and fire. It's my theory. I'll have to melt some crayons and do a chamber cast some day. Although I do no recall seeing any rifling marks on the bullets after extracting loaded rounds.

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I also noted in like fashion the 4227 powder loads give about 100 fps less than the same charge of H110. This is very much like the difference in magnum pistol loadings. 4227 is very temperature stable and predictable compared to H110/296. I've not used enough AA#9 but figure it's about the same as the hot rod slow pistol powders? I use it, 4227, in everything from .22 Hornet to .500 Nitro Express.

My loadings are pretty mild compared to factory 200/250 gr. at 2000-2100 fps. I shoot plain base cast 210 SWC at 1700-1800 fps, just enough to reliably function the gun. (the one piece bolt assy. is over a foot long and weighs 2-3 lbs.!) Recoil is not anything to really consider unless you are letting a 8-10 yr. old shoot it. I do have a special 300 gr. FN bullet mould for the old Ballard .40 that is a hammer! Even at a nominal 1500 fps it hits hard and a little higher to point of aim, which I like. I just need to make some. I have loaded them in .41 Special cases for my .41 magnum but throttled back to 1000 fps it hits very high to POA in the handgun and offers little gain over other loadings. I call it the .413 Puffy for my old friend who got me the mould.

Just missed out on one in an auction a few minutes ago

Asa
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Friday, September 27, 2019, 15:18 (2526 days ago) @ WB

have another chance at one in a few weeks!

Don't turn down a good .351

WB
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Friday, September 27, 2019, 18:50 (2526 days ago) @ Asa

The .32 WSL is basically a rimless .32-20 and the old .35 WSL is more of a .38 HD rimless. The .351 is full on beyond the .357 Maximum.

My life won't be complete w/o a .400 GNR

WB
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Friday, September 27, 2019, 20:33 (2526 days ago) @ WB

I must have him build me one. I was thinking Pre-64 M94 but the Marlin 336 is such a fine gun. The G2 chassis would be a thumper too. I do not like the .45-70 on the Contender, just too much. The .444 is too hot in my opinion too. That long rimmed 10mm just might suit me, a big bore smaller and lighter big gun.

I'm leaving a slot for my next build.

Already have the .400 dies, not sure if

Asa
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Friday, September 27, 2019, 23:52 (2526 days ago) @ WB

I want to use the marlin 36 or the 336? Might get a contender barrel, to form brass and work up loads.

Early Dec. and of course Spring is a good time to buy

WB
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 07:24 (2525 days ago) @ Asa

Pawn shops are still a place you might find a clean 336 for $200-300. Guys wanting to turn a quick buck. Shops have figured out they can buy cheap and sell on the net themselves for $100 extra. All good leverguns are getting close to $500 used if you awake and want one that day!

A nice 336 for 200 or 300 bucks? Maybe in 2004...

Woody
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 08:26 (2525 days ago) @ WB

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With a scope if you are good enough, hunting!

WB
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 09:07 (2525 days ago) @ Woody

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Yep have a couple of 336 found under $300 had to go a little

Asa
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 09:47 (2525 days ago) @ Woody

higher to get my model 36. The 336 are like new, like scotty says if you do the hunting, I always found them when looking for other stuff! LOL!

The 400 in my Marlin 36 is next on my list.

JPL
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 04:30 (2525 days ago) @ WB

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Hope somebody brings one to the HHC

Derek
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 04:40 (2525 days ago) @ WB

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OK. WHAT THE HELL IS A 400 GNR!!! Can't keep up with all of

MWC
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 10:20 (2525 days ago) @ WB

Gary's cartridges!!!
Mark

30-30 blown out to .400

Asa
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 10:29 (2525 days ago) @ MWC

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Thanks ASA!!! Anyone got pictures of a comparison???

MWC
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 11:22 (2525 days ago) @ Asa

Next to a similar cartridge???
I like the idea in the 336!!!

30-30 on the left, 400 GNR on the right

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 11:44 (2525 days ago) @ MWC

Thanks, Mr.Reeder. Looks like a 'THUMPER"

MWC
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:19 (2525 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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Mr. Reeder ran off with a loose blonde. It's Gary

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:45 (2525 days ago) @ MWC

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