Wilson Combat new AR
BlackPete
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Friday, November 22, 2019, 08:27 (2470 days ago)
Saw this on line today, Wilson Combat 458 Ham’R. 3000 ft-lbs of Energy.
Looks and sounds impressive, But steep in the wallet. Pete
The AR10 platform is a heavy beast
WB
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Friday, November 22, 2019, 09:07 (2469 days ago) @ BlackPete
the bolt and buffer weigh almost as much as a AR15 type carbine. The smaller AR15 platform has been the focus of several "big" calibers like .450, .458 SOCOM, .50 BW. The rounds are held back some by the light duty platform. Remember the whole works was designed around the puny .22 CF.
The upper receiver is aluminum with the barrel nut screwed onto it and the bolt/barrel stub lock together. That is the real strength, that multi-lug rotating bolt and barrel stub. But it's held by aluminum. For perhaps a few hundred hi-power specialty rounds in a lifetime I think it will be fine. But at some point I have to think the aluminum will be come work stressed. I dunno, aluminum stretches before it cracks usually, maybe it's better than steel. I've shot a few of the hot light platform AR15's and feel they are being pushed beyond the edge. The .450 Bushmaster is the best by my figuring. Again you can take .458" bullets and resize to .452" to make whatever you desire.
Bill Wilson could paint a turd gold and line folks up to pay him $3500 a pop. More power to him. He's experienced, innovative, and rich, off decades in the gun industry.
Thanks for the info WB.
BlackPete
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Friday, November 22, 2019, 10:21 (2469 days ago) @ WB
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It is basically a 458 Socom loaded hotter
Chuck
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Friday, November 22, 2019, 11:32 (2469 days ago) @ BlackPete
the write up I saw said about .050 longer case. Other than that just a hotter 458 Socom.
I just talked to Nate and he said the same thing that
Gary Reeder
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Friday, November 22, 2019, 11:53 (2469 days ago) @ Chuck
Chuck did except he said the case was .040 longer and the load hotter.
The gun is what one called an AR12
WB
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Friday, November 22, 2019, 13:07 (2469 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
It is a shortened AR10 upper and bolt carrier, a hybrid. While that's cool, it also has some proprietary parts. Perhaps the concept will catch on.
When looking at the ballistics on a standard AR15 platform the .458 SOCOM and .50 BW both look a little anemic (for the bore diameters) as to muzzle energies compared to the .450 BM. However their bullets are heavier, contributing to looping trajectories. But it's pretty amazing for a .22 CF platform adaptation, in my book. The AR10 is another animal.