204 to 240

Josh
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Thursday, January 02, 2020, 23:55 (2427 days ago)

What dies should I use as a intermediate between .204 to .243? Will 223 dies work or just neck size?

They should work, a little lube inside the case neck.

WB
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 00:17 (2427 days ago) @ Josh

Helps on the pull out.

I don’t have any

Josh
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 00:19 (2427 days ago) @ WB

Looking at lee collet neck sizing 223/5.56 die. Will it work?

NO, a collet sizer will not at all.

WB
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 00:27 (2427 days ago) @ Josh

You need a "ball" type expander and a football "elliptical" expander ball is best. Lee works OK but Hornady has the better type. Either will do but no "collet" types.

A .22 anything will do. .22-250, .222, .220 Swift, whatever etc. A .22 ball expander on a .30-06 rod will work etc. Just try to keep it centered and go slow. All you are doing is making the hole bigger. A .223/5.56 is nice as it supports the case walls better (same size as .204) and helps ensure a well centered expansion from .20 to .22.

Thanks

Josh
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 01:03 (2427 days ago) @ WB

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A cue-tip works well. Adjust the .223's only enough

WB
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 00:20 (2427 days ago) @ WB

to get the job done. Forget the neck sizing, you want the opposite anyway. .223 are shorter than .204 and messing around there you'll crush one. New brass should work without any other goofing around.

Idea

Josh
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 01:10 (2427 days ago) @ Josh

So if I were to buy a new spindle, .223 sizing button and decamping rod I could technically just switch out the insides of the 240 die and use it.

When I was making 6.5 Raptor,,,

Tim Pence
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 07:14 (2427 days ago) @ Josh

I first ran the 204 brass through a 6tcu die, then too 6.5. I also chamfered the case mouth slightly. As WB said, lube is the key.

I goofed with annealing, but it causes more problems

WB
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 07:34 (2427 days ago) @ Tim Pence

It’s just for saving old brass gone hard. Start with fresh and you should do fine. Steps with lube, minimizes splits. It’s worth it.

I de-primed some older brass and put in a pan with water up to the just under the shoulders. Should have been a little higher. I got the heat into the shoulders and when the oversized expander ball hit the tight neck it telescoped the shoulders into the cases. FUBAR! A little higher heat sink and she would have been ok. A dark art. You just put the flame on it to turn it silvery blue, just a couple seconds.

If you want to ruin some brass, and learn something, give it a try some day. But you can make it work. Has to be de-primed or cases tip, trying to float and heat sink is not effective. FWIW. It’s an advanced trick for special times.

I make 257 Raptors in one step with no problems

Blake
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 07:28 (2427 days ago) @ Josh

Just lube the inside neck and run it through the sizing die in a smooth motion. Don’t think I have ever lost a case

...with fresh new brass, right?

WB
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 07:52 (2427 days ago) @ Blake

I had some fired 2-3 times, had sold the rifle so why not. That’s another kettle of fish. Maybe sage advice should be “always begin with virgin brass”. It sure has more elasticity.

Playing with some old discarded .30-30 brass of varied types and ages (30 yr. old some of it) I can feel the difference in my press handle, if it’s going to split or not. Also trimming in the lathe, you can easily tell the workable brass that pulls smooth fine curls compared to harder brass that chunks and throws tiny chattery chips. It’s interesting, and can be age/storage related as well as work hardened from multi firings. FYI

I’m no machinist, just dangerous, but interesting to note.

Yes new brass!

Blake
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 10:26 (2427 days ago) @ WB

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borrowed

Paul
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Friday, January 03, 2020, 13:09 (2426 days ago) @ WB

When I borrowed your 240 I used 204 brass that had been fired 3 or 4 times with no issues at all. Using new brass now.

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