Fun with the 32-20

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 06:46 (2386 days ago)

Years ago I picked up a brand new Marlin 1894CL in 32-20. I am not sure why. I always liked the old cartridges. Anyway, it turned out to be a fun gun and I carried in on my horse quite a bit .. shot coyotes, javelina, armadillos, cats and dogs with it. One of my hunting loads was the 121 gr. AK47 bullet at about 2100 fps. It was too long to feed from the magazine so that was in the chamber for the first shot. I rarely needed a backup.

Then Cowboy Action came along. I soon found the short magazine a BIG hindrance so I had it modified a bit.

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I removed the crossbolt safety, added a full length magazine, took out the 2-piece firing pin and installed a one piece firing pin, lightened all the springs, polished it every place I could and turned it into a race gun. It was not safe for anything else, but it worked well as a companion for my old Colt .32-20 sixgun.

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Sometimes I shot black powder only. On still days running 10 rounds of black powder loads, the targets were not visible by the 6th or 7th shot!

Those were fun times.

During the years I had the gun I worked up quite a few loads. Here are a sample of them:

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THESE WERE FINE IN MY GUN. YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY. BE SAFE!

Now Jim, you know full well those cartridges don't work...

Huey
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 07:14 (2386 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

Anymore. If it doesn't have "New" or "Magnum" attached to it, the bullets will simply bounce off critters.

I just received a message suggesting I abandon my 38-40 endeavors. The sender suggest this because "Elmer Keith proved them useless."

He may be right, but decided to keep them anyways.

And your response to that message was???

ChrisG
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 07:36 (2386 days ago) @ Huey

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I didn't bother...People that have ideas from books...

Huey
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 07:42 (2386 days ago) @ ChrisG

Without any practical knowledge are a waste of time.

Some will praise the 10mm and render the 38-40s as useless. Lack of common sense enough to know that any given bullet driven at the same velocity doesn't vary according to how it's launched.

Too true.

ChrisG
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 08:29 (2386 days ago) @ Huey

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Old ones

Alcorn
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 15:40 (2386 days ago) @ ChrisG

I meet Mr. Keith in 1974 at Champlin Arms. Mr. Keith was correct in his day; the 40's and 50's. Modern powders and modern guns have outdated his information. I am doing 1440fps with 335gr.bullet from my 5 shot 45 Colt. Not possible in 1960, no H-110 or 296. I am doing 2100fps with 45-70 encore with only 16" of barrel. Not possible in 1960 no Encore and no Reloader 7.

38-40

Kevin Pflaum
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 10:00 (2386 days ago) @ Huey

Huey, you are correct. I own 5 38-40s and they are a delight to shoot and hunt with. My 2 favorite are a convertible Ruger from Buckeye Sports 38-40/10mm and one that Mr. Reeder built for me. In South Carolina when I lived there, where the deer are everywhere, I kept my freezer full of meat with the OLD 38-40. One shot would usually do it if I did my part. Who cares if its old. The 38-40 has and will stand the test of time. Happy Shooting!

Mr. Keith did not have the guns and powders we have today

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 07:45 (2386 days ago) @ ChrisG

I know Huey knows this, as do most on this Forum. He was right ..as far as the guns and powders and bullets he had.

Things have progressed since then.

Absolutely!!! Nothing against EK at all...

Huey
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 07:53 (2386 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

The original Black Powder 45 Colt isn't the same animal as a modern 5-Shot 45 Colt loaded to 50,000 psi.

But, if all the person knows is what they read as the 45 Colt Ballistics, then I just stop there.

Ditto on many cartridges too. Look at what Ruger #1 Owners do with the 45-70, etc.

Good one! Very true.

ChrisG
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 08:26 (2386 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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Mr EK was a a gun writer,cowboy,etc

Lynn
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 08:56 (2386 days ago) @ Huey

He was a bigger is better guy in rifles and hand guns.(.44 special, .44 Magnum) He thought the .458 win was an Ideal elk caliber.
What are the 38-40 useless for? They go bang, they are fun and they will hurt things well if you so desire. At one time EK thought the forty cal would be the ideal peace officers side arm.
There is a handgun hunter on another forum that deer hunts with a 38-40
I do wonder if he was still with us if he would like all the new huge bores out there now. He was mighty content with the .44

My Reeder 38-40 shoots a 200 grn at 1600 fps..

Huey
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 09:16 (2386 days ago) @ Lynn

With way below maximum pressures. I consider it good for anything the 41 Magnum works on...

MY FIRST CF SIXGUN (1957) WAS

JT
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 17:14 (2386 days ago) @ Huey

4-3/4" 1900-ish COLT .38-40 SAA

Mine is very nice also but un-modified.

Sid R
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 10:00 (2386 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

I have all of the CL calibers (218 Bee and 25-20). [image][image]

HIt post instead of upload for more

Sid R
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 11:02 (2386 days ago) @ Sid R

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Recent reloads printed this at 25 yards.

THE WILLIAMS IS A GRAND "MODIFICATION"

JT
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 13:40 (2386 days ago) @ Sid R

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.32-20s

JT
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 13:38 (2386 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

#3 IS .32 MAGNUM

JT
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 13:39 (2386 days ago) @ JT

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That is a very rare and expensive one indeed.

Sid R
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 14:27 (2386 days ago) @ JT

One I need for my gallery of Marlin 1894's.

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