win 94in 30-30

joepjs
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 09:05 (2261 days ago)

I have a winchester 94 made in 1967 for the Canadian centennial with a 24 inch octagonal barrel and a typical sight. I find that there may be a difference between classic 170 grain ammo and modern 150 grain ammo. The classic seems to have a smaller rim and feeds well from the side into the ammo tube, and into the barrel. the modern ammo does not feed at all, and I can get only one modern empty case in the feed and it doesn't feed into the barrel well. What is wrong here? I love shooting the modern ammo as it groups really well at 50 yards although I have to load them one at a time. Question 2: Is there an aperture rear sight that can be mounted to keep it near original , or a tang aperture sight, or is there a scope mount that I should use to make it more versatile? would I be wasting my time on an aperture sight at my age? (82) Is a scope mount even possible. This is a sweet shooting rifle but the feed problem is irritating.

The feed problem is interesting. I have the same

Darryl T.
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 09:34 (2261 days ago) @ joepjs

Rifle version. It's unfired, but I bought it with the intention of shooting it. Every time I take it out and sight it, I think this would be nice with a Lyman Tang sight. I also have a 94 that Gary refinished and made into a 30 GNR. Every time I shoot it I think, this would be nice with a Burris fastfire. Probably should get the fastfire mount as it's only a couple of miles away from me...
https://www.turnbullrestoration.com/gun/fastfire-barrel-mount-model-1892-1894/

3030 brass should all have same head size

Chance Dunlap
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 10:58 (2261 days ago) @ joepjs

Minor variations in thickness are probable but diameter should match up. It is an unusual problem. I've had early 94s where the carrier supports get loose and you have to fanagle tiny screwdrivers on the inside to tighten the screws. Yours is modern era gun without that problem. Your gun should be tapped for Williams peep sight. But I might be wrong.

check the rim diameters with a micrometor

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 11:13 (2261 days ago) @ joepjs

see if there really is a difference. If there isn't, then you will know to look for some other issue.

Also check rim thickness plus since...

MountainWanderer
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 11:16 (2261 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

you have a micrometer out already, check ALL the dimensions. Sometimes you'll find something you never even thought about...

win 94in 30-30

joepjs
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Thursday, June 11, 2020, 13:53 (2260 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

I did check with a micrometer and found that classic ammo, 170 grain is a lesser diameter than the modern. I never would have thunk it

The magazine tube may have an issue

steve todd
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 11:54 (2261 days ago) @ joepjs

Remove the tube and check where it goes into the receiver. There may be a dimple or a burr. That’s my best guess, and i don’t know why some ammo would feed, but other ammo wont.

not an unusual problem with a commemorative. I have

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 14:14 (2261 days ago) @ joepjs

seen numerous small problems like that with them. I heard many years ago from the Winchester factory rep that in a good economical move Winchester got rid of their less than perfect parts on commemoratives as 99% of them were never fired as that ruined the collector value completely. In fact on two of the guns named after an Indian chief (Sitting Bull, Geronimo, Two Dogs Humping, one of those, the guns with the tacks in the stock) I have seen 2 of them that had no rifling in the barrel. But take my comments on less than perfect parts as second hand or even third hand info.

If you have a good gunsmith in your area take it in there to them to check out. It could just be something small that can be taken care of on one visit.

There are a couple of side mount aperture sights that attach to the 2 small holes on the left side of the action. Also you can have a scope mount in a side mount added to the left side of the frame too although this required a couple of holes to be drilled.

If you like a red dot sight we have our all steel mount for whichever red dot sight you choose. This also requires a couple of holes to be drilled in the front of the action or on the barrel. So your problems are probably not anything that can't be fixed with a liberal application of $20 bills.

I have a Canadian Centennial as well. I replaced

Patrick McCann
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Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 16:23 (2261 days ago) @ joepjs

The rear buckhorn sight blade for one with a round hole to act as an aperature sight.
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/880560

Some times its as simple as making sure

Sid R
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Thursday, June 11, 2020, 05:58 (2260 days ago) @ joepjs

that the screws are tight especially the loading gate. It may be slightly bent.

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