we went over a lot of things yesterday

gary reeder
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 12:59 (2228 days ago)

concerning how to protect the homestead but didn't cover what goes on inside the homestead. I woke up this morning to no water. We are on a well which has never had any problems. This morning, no water. I checked everything, wiring wise and can't see a problem. So I called a friend who put our newest pump in. But the point here is back when Trump first got in I thought we might have some problems then so i had a hand pump installed in our well house. Sorta like the old hand pumps you see in the western movies except bigger, a two handed pump. In about 15 minutes I pumped out about 25 gallons of water in buckets we keep around for situations like that.

Anyway, if you are on a well, you might think about something like that and if you are on city water what happens if the system gets shut down? I picked up a 350 gallon water tank a while back and keep it full of water. Every couple of years I empty it and put fresh water in. I need to talk to WB and see if there are some tablets to help keep the water fresh. The tank is in the garage, in the shade so no heat gets to it. I know there are tablets to put in small amounts of water to make it drinkable, but what about a 350 gallon tank?

There are a lot of those white plastic tanks around. The ones with a metal cage around it. They were, in most cases, used to store molasses or syrup. They can be cleaned out and used. But again what do we put in there to keep 350 gallons fresh? These are something to think about.


Heat

We have 3 wood stoves in our house. The house is not large by any means, around 2700 sq. feet. So a big wood stove in the front room, a wood cook stove off the kitchen and one big one back in my reloading/trophy room pretty much keeps the house livable. Neither Colleen or I like a house hot. A temp somewhere around 65 or so is fine with us.

The thought here is what do you do if the electricity shuts down in a bad situation. How do you keep the family warm and alive.

Food. I talk to folks that butcher a calf every fall and fill the freezer. But again what is there is no juice to run that freezer? The only alternative is canned goods or freeze dried food. There are freeze dried packages to keep a family of 4 alive for a year and they don't take up much more room than about half a small closet. Sams Club and Costco used to keep those packages in their catalog. If you solved the water problem above, that also helps the freeze dried food situation.

Sorry to be so long on this but those are some things to think about if you decide wisely to "hunker down" at home when the SHTF.

I have access to those tanks if anyone is close

WB
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 13:42 (2228 days ago) @ gary reeder

We give them away to folks wanting to use them for themselves. We’ve made deer stands, dog and goat houses, lawn Mower and tractor Sun shades etc. they are quite expensive but the vendors calculate the cost into the price per Lb. chemicals. Make sure that the product is NSF 60 or 61 approved for food grade contact. That way it can be cleaned out and used. Any water is better than none!

Lucy likes her house, weather proof!
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They make a decent RV dump cesspit

Bob Denning
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 19:11 (2228 days ago) @ WB

Drill or shoot it full of holes. Dig a big pit. Drop it in the pit. Surround the pit with old concrete blocks to create air space. Backfill. Cover with a steel plate and a riser tube. Backfill some more. Disguise by putting an old stump over it. Don’t tell anybody.

I bugged out 12 years ago from FL to western Montana. We are

Lymey
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 14:43 (2228 days ago) @ gary reeder

23 miles from a town of 80,000, 7 miles from a small burg of 1800. My wife has a large garden and we can quite a bit in the fall. We have plenty of game frequenting our place for meat.We have a good supply of dried beans,rice, and flour. Wife is a rn and we have a good supply of medical needs. Water comes from a well over 450 ft deep. All I need to do is drop a couple of trees in strategic spots along our mile and a half driveway and just sit tight.

I have thought about a Still

Joe Pollock
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 17:46 (2228 days ago) @ gary reeder

to have distilled water from almost any water. what are the pros and cons of that thinking?

that brings me back to the bug-out bag

Joe Pollock
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 17:56 (2228 days ago) @ Joe Pollock

I have a life straw and a more expensive pump that will do a large amount before it needs new filters.

true "distilled" water is not good for you.

WB
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 19:28 (2228 days ago) @ Joe Pollock

but I'd figure it's fine in a pinch for short term. Couple of points about water treatment for survival. Filtration is good and physically can remove small cysts (microorganism eggs) down to about 1-3 microns. There are 1000 microns to a nanometer, typical virus is 50-100 nanometers in size. You ain't straining that out!

Your idea of heat is wonderful and will both kill virus and "cook" the microorganism in the shell. It's OK to eat bugs if they are dead. The health dept. suggests a rolling boil for 3 minutes minimum. Then again there is chemical poisoning. You can filter and boil anti-freeze and it would still kill you if you drank it. A combination of filtration and heat is as good as you can get. Anything with charcoal is good but is quickly depleted if the water is very dirty at all. UV light is tricky as you have to get exposure time and penetration of the light and any particles will shade that. UV does not "kill" anything but scrambles it's DNA so it cannot reproduce and "hatch" in your intestines. Many incubation periods for microorganisms run from 3-14 days. Water can taste so good today and kill you in a couple weeks from dysentery. Those little tiny red nematodes (present in about all soil) are fine, extra protein. But they can eat amoeba and carry parasites in their teeny gut that can cause harm. Cook them first!

Only drawback of distilled water

Jethro
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 20:27 (2228 days ago) @ WB

has no minerals, should be getting those from the food you eat anyhow. The actual purest form of water to drink,11% hydrogen and 89% oxygen is pure distilled water. Way better for you than the fluoride and chlorine in municipal systems.Dentists say not to swallow toothpaste with flouride, but government, fda says it's ok to drink in your county water. Same ones mandating masks, go figure . Btw I trust the Fda as much as the lying liberal democrats.

But in a survival situation, one of those straws or boiling the water is the way to go. Stock up on bottled water also.a

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I don't gives my dogs tap water

Joe Pollock
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Monday, July 13, 2020, 04:50 (2228 days ago) @ Jethro

I drink bottled "spring" water so they say. I don't use ice. I only drink water no coffee, soda, alcohol. I use 5 gallon bottles for the Dogs.

Interesting water fact, you’re drinking dinosaur piss!

WB
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Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:52 (2227 days ago) @ Joe Pollock

You are valid in being suspicious of “spring” bottled water. Some of it is simply utility water run through UV and bottled up. Some they even add baking soda or salt minerals so it has a taste or character. For your cost of a case of spring water you could have had 5,000 gal. of USEPA regulated tap water. God only made water once! It’s recycled continuously through the hydrologic cycle. However it’s foolish to misuse and pollute what resources we are blessed with.

A trick is to draw up tap water into a pitcher and let it set overnight on the counter. Any chlorine (mandated by the feds) will dissipate out. Then stick it in the fridge for clean crisp tasting H2O. The little Britta carbon filters work great to remove Cl2 also, just replace cartridges at suggested intervals. It’s all water, the same from the beginning.

Lot of people don't know that fact they

Joe Pollock
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Monday, July 13, 2020, 14:36 (2227 days ago) @ WB

think when it evaporates it's gone and the rain brings new water. I get a kick telling people that they think your crazy. what would we do with out lime stone. I will start doing that. But what about all the hormones in the tap water. The Male Smallmouth Bass in the rivers around here are laying eggs. And hell look at the kids today they can't figure out what sex they are. lol

We have a "5" step process for our bottled water

Derek
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Monday, July 13, 2020, 05:48 (2228 days ago) @ Jethro

We clean up munincpal water,1. Runs through 10 charcoal filters 2. Gets fractional vapor distilled 3. Runs through 20 charcoal filters to ad some taste back to the water 4. Runs through uv light to scramble anything left after distillation and filtration 5. Gets ozonated in holding tank right before bottling.

Some of our branches use the RO method

Derek
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Monday, July 13, 2020, 06:11 (2228 days ago) @ Derek

Like in the Caymans, Bermuda, Virgin Islands etc. Definitely don't drink no native water on those islands all kinds of nasty things in it.

Thanks WB

Joe Pollock
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Monday, July 13, 2020, 04:32 (2228 days ago) @ WB

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Water in tanks

Ed
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 18:27 (2228 days ago) @ gary reeder

I was in the Navy and was the waterking who was in charge of the drinking water on board ship. I used chlorine tablets in the tanks to keep it in shape for humans to drink. I would take samples to the doc who would test it for the amount of chlorine in the water. Too much and everyone would get the shits. I know we had to rotate the use of the tanks to keep the chlorine from settling. I do not know why the chlorine level would drop if the tank was not used within a week or so. If I made the mistake of adding more chlorine to that tank then it would give everyone the shits. This was distilled water. I'm sure ground water and rain water would be different. The only safe way to store water would be to have it tested before use. We use to use cisterns when I was younger, but I think Grandma used to use the water to wash clothes and dishes. We drank water from the well or a spring most of the time. Safety first.

the water in my tank is from a well, from several

gary reeder
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Sunday, July 12, 2020, 18:31 (2228 days ago) @ Ed

hundred feet down, ice cold.

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