Boys, hat in hand, I screwed up. Cleaned a gun.

WB
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Sunday, July 26, 2020, 19:33 (2214 days ago)

I knew better. Go ahead let me have it, I deserve it. The FN HP MKII was pretty dirty after about 300-400 rounds so I took it apart and got the carbon out, wiped and Q-tipped with just enough CLP to be right. WITHOUT TESTING I let my wife have it to go qualify at the CCL Enhanced class. On the line, heart pounding, CLICK. Click, Click, it's all my fault.

Roman loaned her his Arsenal Strike 1 9mm and she shot a merciful 48/50 to Roman's 49/50 for qualifying. He about swallowed his bubble gum when a shooter beside him (lady) shot HIS target, bad low. The range officer didn't count it. lol That would have been bad, tied with your mom, using YOUR gun. Now she likes that 9mm, wouldn't mind having one. Lovely, they used to be about $1200 before things went nuts.

She was not too cross with me and I'm having a devil of a time figuring our what wen wrong with one of the most simplistic and refined semi-autos of the last century. How in the world could I have screwed it up?! I think I have it solved and fixed. It seems a small bit of hard carbon got under the sear bar in the slide. It prevented the bar from pivoting full travel and fully releasing the sear. The hammer stopped short with a hollow thunk. Sort of like a hammer drop safety which SOME, but not my MKII, have. Actually late MKII do have an added hammer drop safety (yuck) as well as all later MKIII. Mine is early 1980's, a run for an Israel police contract.

I took it apart again investigating and it did it on me. I took some pictures for examination. All HP have a mag disconnect safety, which I promptly removed. This would prevent the trigger from moving at all so that is no way a factor. The hammer is partially falling (to the safety notch)so the trigger bar is working a bit and the sear is partially releasing. A flick of carbon, just a flick, could do it. It works fine now.

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congrats. Now you are one of the newbies and wannabies.

gary reeder
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Sunday, July 26, 2020, 19:48 (2214 days ago) @ WB

it takes a lot of Atta Boys to make up for one Aw Shit.

1,000 to 1 ratio, FACT: 1 Aw Shit cancels 1,000 Atta Boys

Rsim
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Sunday, July 26, 2020, 19:52 (2214 days ago) @ gary reeder

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Elephants speak of my wife’s memory!

WB
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Sunday, July 26, 2020, 19:59 (2214 days ago) @ Rsim

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Not to worry. I've sent factory and custom guns back

Huey
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Monday, July 27, 2020, 06:00 (2213 days ago) @ WB

With major problems. No different when it happens at home. We're all human...

RULE #1

JT
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Monday, July 27, 2020, 05:52 (2213 days ago) @ WB

DON'T CLEAN GUNS!

Yeah, I knew better. Was just gonna wipe it down

WB
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Monday, July 27, 2020, 06:46 (2213 days ago) @ JT

then I saw carbon on the breachface. So I started to scratch around on it, then the slide lugs, black powder coating the trigger springs.... You tend to get a little OCD and can't stop.

Cleaning itself is not that bad in moderation. It's just a fact the more you mess with something that is working the greater the chance you may have a negative influence. BY ALL MEANS you need to test fire the rig before going on a hunt, using it for self defense, or going to a shoot. ALWAYS!

Same for your reloads. Always check them, a bunch of them, for full chambering and activating the firearm's internal safeties. I've been snookered on that before. Even if for no reason in the world other than to pay homage to Murphy.

Revolvers are not immune either. I once got some unburned grains of 2400 under the ejector star on a Redhawk. Locked it up tight. Ditto exponentially for a FA anything. There is a reason they sell .44 Special "cylinders" to go with a .44 Magnum gun. They demand no fouling or sloppy reloads. There has to be a happy medium. A working gun can benefit from a good wipedown but be cautious for a teardown. I knew better.

you actually broke a couple of rules. First

Gary Reeder
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Monday, July 27, 2020, 11:27 (2213 days ago) @ WB

don't clean your gun unless it needs it.
Second..if you do clean it, don't take it apart to do so. Run a dry brush thru the barrel, put a tiny bit of gun grease on the bottom of the slide and let it go at that.
Third...always shoot 10 or 12 rounds thru the gun after cleaning it to get it back to where it was before, accuracy wise.
Four....enjoy sleeping on the couch for the next 6 months.

LOL! I don't clean mine (accept black powder)

Sid R
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Monday, July 27, 2020, 06:48 (2213 days ago) @ JT

and when I do clean I have an ultra sonic cleaner that fits most hand guns. Heat it up take the grips off and field strip. 30 minutes later it comes out clean as a whistle and lubed. Blow it off with shop air and it drys real fast. I still wipe down or grease where I think it might need it with some Remoil or Ballistol. Cleans the inside of barrels too.

RULE #2, 3, 4, 5 and 6...don't clean guns

Gary Reeder
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Monday, July 27, 2020, 11:07 (2213 days ago) @ JT

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Some of us li earned that bad habit in the military

Grover Sr
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Monday, July 27, 2020, 11:35 (2213 days ago) @ JT

Back in my day we had the initial issue of m-16's inbthe transition from the M-14. The bolts back then were atrocious and carbon from one range session could cause misfires. We were "trained" to field strip the weapon, disassemble the bolts and clean everything including using a brass brush on the firing pins after each day of use.

yep, I grew up having to clean my guns after every use,

Gary Reeder
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Monday, July 27, 2020, 11:58 (2213 days ago) @ Grover Sr

again due to the corrosive powder, primers etc. But that excuse doesn't hold water these days. I had to learn the hard way and so do those that grew up cleaning their guns. Times have changed.

If I get a light primer strike it's crud in the firing

ChrisG
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Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 04:28 (2211 days ago) @ WB

pin bore. Remove firing pin swab with pipe cleaner and then it works. Not really crud it's brass shavings that get in mine.

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