30-30 crimp or no crimp

Steve S
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 11:34 (2103 days ago)

I am ready to load up some new 30-30 win with 160gr FTX bullets and Leverevolution powder. I pulled a bullet on a factory load and it was 34 gr. My question is-- do I crimp? I am using new starline brass.

I crimp mine with the Lee Factory Crimp Die...

Huey
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 11:50 (2103 days ago) @ Steve S

Even for my Single Shots. I wouldn't wager much that factory ammo uses the same powder as is available to us. The Hodgdon website maxs out at over 34.0 grns.

Really recommend going by published loading data over measuring an unknown powder.

Just because ammo is named Leverevolution doesn't guarantee it's the same powder.

Just my opinion, others will likely disagree.

Loaded FTX for a friend

Charles
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 13:14 (2103 days ago) @ Huey

Checked and his Hornady brass was shorter. Somewhere it seems I saw this to be required since FTX bullets were longer,,, and they shouldn’t be seated past shoulder and possibly in a lever gun they might not function.
I have 2 sets or dies for the 30-30. The cowboy ones by RCBS work great on lead with a roll crimp.
The other RCBS crimp die I use is a taper crimp and I use it on Jacketed bullets.
I like the 30-30 and have a 14” TC barrel and 2 rifles one 1894 Winchester, and even a 26” barreled Whinny in the AE version.
Loading a Swift 170 grain makes for a good pill for just about anything.
I loaded a few different pointy jacketed bullets for the TC too.
I agree on the powders,,,, even with so called Leverrevolution the velocity is not quite as the factory.
Remember if you don’t have a expanding die you can always just bump the brass with a 38sp expander. I did it for years. Go slow,,,

Probably true. I know their 45-70 FTX Brass is short...

Huey
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 14:19 (2103 days ago) @ Charles

Was given a bunch of once fired to trim to 458 D-Max.

I've never checked on 30-30 because I'm loading for a single shot. Nose length is irrelevant compared to a lever action.

first off, don't assume the powder you have is the same as

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 11:51 (2103 days ago) @ Steve S

what the factory uses. Most ammo companies have their own special powders. Years ago I talked to Lee Jurras about loading Winchester 296 in one of my Ruger 44 Super Blackhawks. I pulled a bullet out of a Winchester round and assumed the powder was 296 as it looked the same. Lee told me almost all companies had their own concoction in powder. Lee said he used Winchester 297 in his Super Vel ammo. He gave me an 8 lb. jug of it and instructions to drop 1 grain from my 296 loads.

What all this is getting to is don't assume it is a certain powder. Go by the loading manual. As far as crimping, most seating dies will taper crimp a rifle round. I think Lee Reloading makes a special crimp die but I have never tried one. I just taper crimp the mouth of the case in the seater die. That has always worked for me.

I HAVE A JUG OF H108 I USE.

JT
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 12:20 (2103 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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I haven't heard of H108 in a while. I thought

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 15:17 (2103 days ago) @ JT

it had been discontinued and AA#9 was the "replacement" for it. This is all from a dysfunctional memory.

MAY VERY WELL BE AS THEY SEEM TO WORK THE SAME

JT
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Friday, November 13, 2020, 17:33 (2102 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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Pay special attention to OAL

Sid R
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 12:20 (2103 days ago) @ Steve S

Hornady FTX ammo uses there brass and it is different in a lot of cases. No pun intended. I personally don't like FTX because of my experience with it on game. It is a great, albeit expensive, target round. I have reloaded Hornady brass that was loaded with FTX bullets and reloaded them with other bullets and they would not cycle right in lever actions. Some times the rim thickness is more on the FTX hornady brass.

I USE LEE FACTORY CRIMP/COLLETT DIES

JT
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 12:21 (2103 days ago) @ Steve S

ON ALL RIFLE AND SEMI-AUTO PISTOL LOADS.

The thickness on .30-30 necks varies wildly

WB
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Thursday, November 12, 2020, 14:32 (2103 days ago) @ Steve S

from brand to brand. Typically you don't have to crimp. Do you crimp your .243 or .270? Neck tension should be plenty enough. BUT, that Lee collet crimper is a great tool. Most of the necks I've measured are 0.008-0.010" thick, each side.

An old Indian trick I like is to use bulky enough powder that the bullet cannot be pushed back into the neck feeding. Usually I like using it on 9mm and such but it can be helpful on rifles too. The .30-30 feeds smoothly in most rifles and it should not be a problem. Suit yourself.

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