"Rifle Shooter" Jan/Feb 2021

JT
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 07:19 (2092 days ago)

Can someone tell me what it says about Rossi bringing out the 1892 levergun in .44 Special?

JT could you share a few of your

Grover Sr
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 09:43 (2092 days ago) @ JT

Favorite 44 special loads? Do you have
different favorites for rifle vs revolver?
I am getting the 44 spl bug.

Thanks

.44 SPECIAL LEVERGUN LOADS

JT
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 09:51 (2092 days ago) @ Grover Sr

Looking at my notes from years ago when using Andy Horvath’s .44 Special Winchester 20” Model 92 I found some pretty potent loads. All of these were assembled using the Lyman #429421 and some of the loads which were marked “Very Accurate” are 17.5 grains of #2400 for 1,630 fps; 18.0 grains of H4227, 1,400 fps; 16.0 grains of Accurate #9, 1,460 fps; and 14 grains of HS7 clocking out at 1,535 fps. I had one jacketed bullet which I used at that time and that was the Sierra 180 JHC using 20.0 grains of #2400 to achieve 1,700 fps. All of these loads were not only very accurate but certainly powerful enough for hunting deer-sized game. Note the original .44 WCF barrel had standard rifling, not the Micro-Groove found in Marlin barrels which I have found not to be very friendly to plain-based lead bullets.
For testing my new .44 Special I loaded up 35 different loads using jacketed bullets, cast bullets, and powder coated bullets. Just as with .44 Magnum sixguns some will shoot some .44 Special loads very accurately while others simply will not perform, I expected to find the same thing with this .44 Special Trapper and that is exactly what happened. All of my test-firing was done at 35 yards as this is an everyday packin’ rifle designed for close range work. Seven of my loads, or 20%, did not perform satisfactorily enough for me to use them even for relatively close range hunting, and of those seven, four loads either grouped poorly or key-holed, or both. This once again points up to the obvious which is to not load a large batch of ammunition for use in a levergun until dummy loads without powder or primer have been tested for feeding and chambering. Once a load is known to function perfectly then the next step is to check its accuracy.
I do have one original .44 Special levergun, a Uberti replica Model 66 which is mostly used with Oregon Trail .44-40 bullets namely, 200, 225, and 240 RNFP hard cast and these all perform very well when loaded from 900-1,100 fps with Trail Boss or Tite Group. The purpose of a dedicated .44 Special Trapper was to be able to use heavier loads. I did come up with one plinking load for the Trapper using the OT 225 RNFP over 7.5 grains of Unique for 1,100 fps.
The Hornady 240 JHP over 18.5 grains of H110 clocks out at 1,375 fps and groups four shots just barely over 1” at 35 yards. The Rossi Trapper does not have what one would call long-range rifle sights, however I do like them for close work as they are basically sixgun sights with a black post front sight mated it up with a square notch black rear sight. I also had very good luck with the Hornady 200 XTP-JHP using 22.0 grains of H110 for 1,625 fps and again just barely over 1” for four shots at 35 yards as did the same bullet over 16.5 grains of #2400 at just over 1,400 fps. The long discontinued Speer copper-cupped 240 grain led bullet has long been a favorite for .44 Special and .44 Magnum sixguns and loaded over 15.5 grains of #2400 it clocked out at just over 1,400 fps with four shots just barely over 1” at 35 yards. Basically what these loads do is give me .44 Magnum sixgun-style performance in a .44 Special levergun.
I was most anxious to see what cast bullets would do. With cast bullets I expected my best results to come from those with gas checks and that is exactly what happened. The Lyman/Thompson #431244 GC, a 255 grain bullet, over 17.0 grains of #4227 is an easy shooting 1,200 fps which basically equals Keith’s heavy load in a sixgun. Again the grouping is right at one-inch. Ray Thompson also designed a lighter-weight bullet, #429215GC which weighs right at 220 grains with my alloy. With 16.5 grains of #2400 velocity is right at1,475 fps while 8.5 grains of Unique gives about 200 fps less muzzle velocity with both loads right at one-inch.

.44 SPECIAL SIXGUN LOADS NEW FRONTIER

JT
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 10:30 (2092 days ago) @ JT

44SPLDataNF
RCBS #44-250KT (,431”) 249. Grains
LOAD: 8.0 gr.HS6
COLT NF SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Ebony #NF20041 827/27 1-1/8”
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Carved Ivory #05977NF 819/45 1-1/2”
7-1/2” 2rd Gen Bone #4622NF 808/62 1-1/2”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Walnut #08763NF 862/32 1-1/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Stag #06229NF 866/34 1-1/2”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Ivory #06321NF 865/65 7/8”

LOAD: 5.0 gr. Bullseye
COLT NF SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Ebony #NF20041 803/24 1”
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Carved Ivory #05977NF 802/27 1-1/2”
7-1/2” 2rd Gen Bone #4622NF 825/20 3/4"
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Walnut #08763NF 819/38 1-3/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Stag #06229NF 832/17 1-3/4”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Ivory #06321NF 826/24 1”

LOAD: 5.0 gr. Red Dot
COLT NF SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Ebony #NF20041 811/34 7/8”
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Carved Ivory #05977NF 805/20 1-3/8”
7-1/2” 2rd Gen Bone #4622NF 838/28 1”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Walnut #08763NF 833/19 1-3/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Stag #06229NF 838/46 1”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Ivory #06321NF 832 1”
LOAD: 5.0 gr. Clays
COLT NF SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Ebony #NF20041 828/20 1-1/2”
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Carved Ivory #05977NF 831/40 1-3/4”
7-1/2” 2rd Gen Bone #4622NF 859/43 1”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Walnut #08763NF 883/26 1-3/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Stag #06229NF 857/23 1”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Ivory #06321NF 840/41 1-1/2”

LOAD: 7.0 gr. True Blue
COLT NF SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Ebony #NF20041 865/64 7/8”
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Carved Ivory #05977NF 865/26 1-1/4”
7-1/2” 2rd Gen Bone #4622NF 893/24 7/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Walnut #08763NF 881/13 1-1/4”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Stag #06229NF 850/24 1-1/4”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Ivory #06321NF 877/39 1”

LOAD: 6.5 gr. ZIP
COLT NF SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Ebony #NF20041 898/36 7/8”
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Carved Ivory #05977NF 894/26 1-1/2”
7-1/2” 2rd Gen Bone #4622NF 938/22 1-1/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Walnut #08763NF 919/14 1-3/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Stag #06229NF 922/26 1-1/4”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Ivory #06321NF 909/30 1-1/8”


#43-249H Wadcutter (.430”)/6.5 Green Dot
COLT NF SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Ebony #NF20041 929 2”
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Carved Ivory #05977NF 921 7/8”
7-1/2” 2nd Gen Ivory 971 1-1/8”
7-1/2” 2rd Gen RamsHorn #4622NF 932 1-5/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Walnut #08763NF 953 2-1/4”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Stag #06229NF 944 3/4"
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Ivory #06321NF 945 1-1/8”
#43-249H Wadcutter (.430”)5.5 Red Dot
COLT NF SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Ebony #NF20041 917 1-1/2”
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Carved Ivory #05977NF 892 1”
7-1/2” 2nd Gen Ivory 954 1-3/8”
7-1/2” 2rd Gen RamsHorn #4622NF 931 1-7/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Walnut #08763NF 917 1-5/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Stag #06229NF 901 2-1/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Ivory #06321NF 906 1-3/8”
#43-249H Wadcutter (.430”)/6.5 True Blue
COLT NF SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Ebony #NF20041 819 1”
5-1/2” 3rd Gen Carved Ivory #05977NF 806 1-5/8”
7-1/2” 2nd Gen Ivory 854 1-1/4”
7-1/2” 2rd Gen RamsHorn #4622NF 843 1-1/4”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Walnut #08763NF 821 1-1/8”
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Stag #06229NF 824 3/4"
7-1/2” 3rd Gen Ivory #06321NF 813 1”

.44 SPECIAL S&W SIXGUN LOADS

JT
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 10:34 (2092 days ago) @ JT

44SPLDatta4Inch .44 Special 4” Sixguns

LOAD: #429421 (.431”)/5.0 gr. AA2 AVG. MV = 671
SIXGUN MV/ES 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 Target 673/34 1-3/4”
1950 Target (Cut) 679/31 1”
M28 Conversion 641/83 1-3/8”
M24-3 Ivory RH 688/30 1-1/4”
M24-3 Ivory LH 658/22 1-1/2”
M624 Engraved/Ivory 657/44 1-1/4”

LOAD: #429421 (.431”)/7.0 gr. True Blue AVG. MV = 775
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 Target 774/15 2”
1950 Target (Cut) 784/34 1-5/8”
M28 Conversion 736/53 2”
M24-3 Ivory RH 797/27 1-3/8”
M24-3 Ivory LH 869 1-1/4”
M624 Engraved/Ivory 789/21 1-1/4”

LOAD: #429421 (.431”)/5.5 gr. HP38 AVG MV == 701
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 Target 705/35 1-1/2”
1950 Target (Cut) 728/31 1-1/2”
M28 Conversion 665/71 1-18”
M24-3 Ivory RH 698/34 2”
M24-3 Ivory LH 705/13 1-1/4”
M624 Engraved/Ivory 704/19 2”

LOAD: #429421 (.431”)/8.0 gr. HS6 AVG. MV = 762
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 Target 726/66 1-1/8”
1950 Target (Cut) 812/ 1-3/4”
M28 Conversion 768/21 1-1/4”
M24-3 Ivory RH 754/19 Poor
M24-3 Ivory LH 752/37 2-1/2”
M624 Engraved/Ivory 760/31 2-1/2”

LOAD: #429421 (.429”)/7.0 gr. True Blue AVG. MV = 787
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 Target 778/28 1-3/4”
1950 Target (Cut) 812/ 1-3/4”
M28 Conversion 768/21 1-1/4”
M24-3 Ivory RH 794/ 1-1/4”
M24-3 Ivory LH 785/27 2-5/8”
M624 Engraved/Ivory 782/18 1-3/8”

LOAD: #429421 (.429”)/6.5 gr. Zip AVG. MV = 805
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 Target 806/32 1-1/4”
1950 Target (Cut) 817/22 1-1/8”
M28 Conversion 769/12 1-3/4”
M24-3 Ivory RH 816/21 2-1/8”
M24-3 Ivory LH 806/28 1-5/8”
M624 Engraved/Ivory 816/23 1-3/4”

6-1/2” .44 SPECIALS
LOAD: #429421 (.429”)/6.0 gr. ZIP
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 TGT #S134253/Brown Kearsarge 744 2-1/4”
1950 TGT #S100358/Light Walnut 748 1-1/2”
1950 TGT #107184/Fishpaw Lacewood 739 1-1/4”
1950 TGT #146089/Dark Walnut 745 1-1/4”
M24-3 #ABZ0438 763 2-1/4”
M624 #ARB1298 767 1-1/2”
M24-6 Classic #DBX664 783 1-1/4”
1950 “TGT” 5” #148212 725 1-3/4”

LOAD: #429421 (.431”)/7.0 gr. True Blue
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 TGT #S134253/Brown Kearsarge 805 1”
1950 TGT #S100358/Light Walnut 815 7/8”
1950 TGT #107184/Fishpaw Lacewood 815 1-1/2”
1950 TGT #146089/Dark Walnut 808 1-3/8”
M24-3 #ABZ0438 789 1-1/8”
M624 #ARB1298 834 1-1/4”
M24-6 Classic #DBX664 819 2-1/2”
1950 “TGT” 5” #148212 777 1-3/8”

LOAD: #429421 (.431”)/5.0 gr. AA2
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 TGT #S134253/Brown Kearsarge 699 2-1/8”
1950 TGT #S100358/Light Walnut 709 1”
1950 TGT #107184/Fishpaw Lacewood 697 1-3/8”
1950 TGT #146089/Dark Walnut 686 2”
M24-3 #ABZ0438 725 1-3/8”
M624 #ARB1298 730 1-3/4”
M24-6 Classic #DBX664 706 1-3/8”
1950 “TGT” 5” #148212 665 1-3/4”

LOAD: #429421 (.431”)/5.5 gr. HP38
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 TGT #S134253/Brown Kearsarge 724 1-1/8”
1950 TGT #S100358/Light Walnut 741 1-7/8”
1950 TGT #107184/Fishpaw Lacewood 760 1-3/4”
1950 TGT #146089/Dark Walnut 727 1”
M24-3 #ABZ0438 750 2”
M624 #ARB1298 718 1-1/2”
M24-6 Classic #DBX664 710 1-5/8”
1950 “TGT” 5” #148212 677 1-3/8”

LOAD: #429421 (.429”)/8.0 gr. True Blue
SIXGUN MV 5 SHOTS/20 YARDS
1950 TGT #S134253/Brown Kearsarge 902 1-3/8”
1950 TGT #S100358/Light Walnut 918 1-3/8”
1950 TGT #107184/Fishpaw Lacewood 906 1-5/8”
1950 TGT #146089/Dark Walnut 913 1-5/8”
M24-3 #ABZ0438 913 1-1/4”
M624 #ARB1298 926 1-5/8”
M24-6 Classic #DBX664 906 1-1/2”

In 6-1/2” 6.5 ZIP = 777 fps; 8.0 HS6 = 857 ES = 5!

HEAVIER .44 SPECIAL SIXGUN LOADS

JT
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 10:37 (2092 days ago) @ JT

A Comparison of the Keith Bullets: Lyman (#429421), Dry Creek (#44-262KT), and RCBS (#44-250KT) Keith Bullets Sized .430”
.44 Special
Bullet/Load Sixgun MV Five Shots at 50 Ft.
#44-262KT/7.5 gr. Unique TLA 7-1/2” Flat-Top 976 fps 1-5/8”
#429421/7.5 gr. Unique TLA 7-1/2” Flat-Top 984 fps 1-3/8”
#44-250KT/7.5 gr. Unique TLA 7-1/2” Flat-Top 1,011 fps 1-1/2”
#44-262KT/17.0 gr. #2400 TLA 7-1/2” Flat-Top 1,222 fps 2-1/4”
#429421/17.0 gr. #2400 TLA 7-1/2” Flat-Top 1,226 fps 1-1/4”
#44-250KT/17.0 gr. #2400 TLA 7-1/2” Flat-Top 1,295 fps 2”
#44-262KT/7.5 gr. Unique Colt NF 5-1/2” 926 fps 1-1/4”
#429421/7.5 gr. Unique Colt NF 5-1/2” 964 fps 2-1/4”
#44-250KT/7.5 gr. Unique Colt NF 5-1/2” 1,014 fps 1-3/4”
#44-250KT/17.0 gr. #2400 Colt NF 5-1/2” 1,154 fps 1-7/8”
#44-250KT/7.5 gr. Unique Colt NF 7-1/2” 1,067 fps 1-7/8”
#44-250KT/17.0 gr. #2400 Colt NF 7-1/2” 1,208 fps 1-5/8”
#44-262KT/7.5 gr. Unique S&W 1950 4” 884 fps 1-3/4”
#429421/7.5 gr. Unique S&W 1950 4” 964 fps 1-1/4”
#44-250KT/7.5 gr. Unique S&W M624 4” 943 fps 1-1/4”
#44-250KT/17.0 gr. #2400 S&W M624 4” 1,156 fps 2”
#44-250KT/7.5 gr. Unique S&W M624 6-1/2” 990 fps 1-1/2”
#44-250KT/17.0 gr. #2400 S&W M624 6-1/2” 1,156 fps 2”

EXTREME CAUTION!! HEAVY DUTY LOADS FOR THE .44 SPECIAL. MANY OF THESE ARE IN THE MAGNUM CATEGORY. USE SPARINGLY!! START WITH LOWEST LOAD AND WORK UP SLOWLY. THESE LOADS ARE FOR USE ONLY IN HEAVY-FRAMED .44 SPECIALS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION.THEY WORK IN MY SIXGUNS; THEY MAY NOT WORK IN YOURS.
Bullet: Lyman #429421 Keith, 250 gr., Sized to .428”
Colt SAA/4-3/4” S&W M24/6-1/2” Colt NF/7-1/2”
Load MV MV MV
15.5 gr. #2400 1,054 fps 1,042 fps 1,155 fps
16.0 gr. #2400 1,064 fps 1,120 fps 1,169 fps
16.5 gr. #2400 1,107 fps 1,190 fps 1,194 fps
17.0 gr. #2400 1,139 fps 1,192 fps 1,210 fps
17.5 gr. #2400 1,160 fps 1,219 fps 1,270 fps
18.0 gr. #2400 1,198 fps 1,267 fps 1,279 fps
18.0 gr. H4227 1,032 fps 1,070 fps 1,101 fps
18.5 gr. H4227 1,053 fps 1,115 fps 1,149 fps
19.0 gr. H4227 1,083 fps 1,157 fps 1,163 fps
19.5 gr. H4227 1,129 fps 1,148 fps 1,196 fps
20.0 gr. H4227 1,157 fps 1,209 fps 1,237 fps
16.0 gr. AA#9 1,067 fps 1,090 fps 1,157 fps
16.5 gr. AA#9 1,072 fps 1,118 fps 1,167 fps
17.0 gr. AA#9 1,074 fps 1,161 fps 1,195 fps
17.5 gr. AA#9 1,115 fps 1,185 fps 1,214 fps
13.0 gr. HS7 1,038 fps 1,131 fps 1,123 fps
13.5 gr. HS7 1,088 fps 1,146 fps 1,145 fps
14.0 gr. HS7 1,107 fps 1,206 fps 1,207 fps
14.5 gr. HS7 1,163 fps 1,241 fps 1,243 fps
7.5 gr. Unique 912 fps 913 fps 947 fps
8.0 gr. Unique 919 fps 949 fps 1,000 fps
8.5 gr. Unique 940 fps 983 fps 1,018 fps
9.0 gr. Unique 970 fps 997 fps 1,044 fps
9.5 gr. Unique 1,031 fps 1,061 fps 1,109 fps
10.0 gr. Herco 1,058 fps 1,161 fps 1,172 fps
10.5 gr. Herco 1,101 fps 1,154 fps 1,176 fps
11.0 gr. Herco 1,119 fps 1,221 fps 1,222 fps
12.0 gr. Blue Dot 1,106 fps 1,193 fps 1,193 fps
12.5 gr. Blue Dot 1,156 fps 1,240 fps 1,250 fps

Ask and ye shall recieve.

Sid R
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 10:55 (2092 days ago) @ JT

That was a mouth full. LOL

Yep but enlightening!

Grover Sr
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 11:05 (2092 days ago) @ Sid R

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Thanks JT, I see some higher

Grover Sr
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 11:04 (2092 days ago) @ JT

Velocities than I expected. Looks like potent loads at less than 44 magnum bang and recoil but adequate for whitetsils and feral hogs. Gonna start looking for a 44 spl revolver or two also a lever gun. This really helps me better understand the 44 spl vs magnum answer to the question I asked previously.

Be careful! The .44 Special likely .38 Super

JT
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 12:14 (2092 days ago) @ Grover Sr

Is very addictive!

JT I copied and saved thes in MS Word

Grover Sr
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 14:27 (2092 days ago) @ JT

Appreciate your willingness to share the results of all your work.

Great data and makes a great case for segregating...

Huey
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 12:59 (2092 days ago) @ JT

Handloaders and Reloaders...

The 429215 has always been a favorite

Charles
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Monday, November 23, 2020, 18:50 (2092 days ago) @ JT

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