the .32-44 Gallery and .38-44 calibers. I did not know what they were. One load showed a 50 gr. RB and only 6 grains of powder. This was from a 1905 UMC catalog. The ammo was shown as just cases with no bullets.
I then found that one was a .32 cartridge and the other a .38 but the "Gun" they were designed for was a .44 chassis. Hence the name.
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As you can see the bullet was seated fully in the case. Chambers were bored straight through like a heeled bullet ctg. I think the cases might have been full cylinder length.
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This was well put from a fellow who seemed to know: Helping the confusion of a .38-44 Gallery and .38-44 S&W HD.
"The original .38 - 44 Cartridge was for the Smith & Wesson 'New Model 3' Target Revolver, and was never a Rifle Cartridge.
It's Length occupies the length of the Cylinder, and the Ball or Bullet is seated entirely inside the Cartridge Case.
The later mid 1920s and on a ways ".38/44" aka ".38 Heavy Duty" and whatever other names were used, were intended for use with the S&W N Frame 'Outdoorsman" and with the S & W ".38-44 Heavy Duty" Revolvers, and the Colt 'New Service' Revolvers chambering .38 Special, and was not the same Cartridge as the original ".38 - 44".
The later one, was simply a .38 Special, loaded to something approaching .357 Magnum power levels...which then gave rise to the .357 Magnum Cartridge after a few years.
The original .38 - 44 is same diameter as .38 S&W, but a lot longer...and uses a .361 Bullet.
Both versions of the ".38 - 44" Cartridge derive their name on the same logic - both were nominally .38 Caliber, and both intended for use in the Smith & Wesson .44 Caliber Frame-size Revolvers. "
This was discovered while researching Bisley revolvers. I've already learned in a couple days more than I knew in 50 yrs.
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Here are a couple I'd never heard of
- WB, 2020-12-20, 15:27
- Wow, I would of thought more had been made. (nm) - JPL, 2020-12-20, 20:49
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I see a ".45 Smoothbore Bisley"
- Jim Taylor, 2020-12-20, 15:31
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I'd read that from the old shows. Like CCI Shotshells..
- Huey, 2020-12-20, 15:35
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That's still pretty tight shooting from the hip or behind
- WB, 2020-12-20, 15:41
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Fascinating to read about Adolf Topperwein's exploits
- Huey, 2020-12-20, 15:46
- There are some Hillbillies around here shoot skeet with .22 - WB, 2020-12-20, 15:49
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Fascinating to read about Adolf Topperwein's exploits
- Huey, 2020-12-20, 15:46
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That's still pretty tight shooting from the hip or behind
- WB, 2020-12-20, 15:41
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I'd read that from the old shows. Like CCI Shotshells..
- Huey, 2020-12-20, 15:35
- So if you run across a Bisley Colt, numbers matching - WB, 2020-12-20, 15:31