.308 vs .300 Win. Mag

WB
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 07:47 (2064 days ago)

Doug and I were discussing rifles for Africa. We know the game is tough and Doug said ranges can be 200-300 yds., in some instances, hopefully closer, but what if. We both have big rifles and get the snot kicked out of us playing on the bench. It’s tolerable and for the “money shot” you’d not notice anyway. I have my delicious .416 Rigby that is tamed a bit with proper stocking and brake. I can just shoot 350’s and hammer anything big or small. Doug’s 9.3 is a slick rig and well proven worldwide too. On his trip he used a .300 Winchester too and was impressed for the plains critters. It is a nice caliber but do you really, really, need the extra zip over the more domestic standards many of us already own?

I have a delightful little .308, a classic Remington Police Model or Varmint Special 700 HB with proper bedded synthetic stock. It’s a shooting machine capable of ½ MOA with the right loads. It nominally pushes a 180 gr. bullet at 2600 fps. They make the same gun in .300 Winchester. For the 40% increase in powder capacity you garner 13-14% more velocity. Looking at ballistics you indeed gain 25% more energy and ballistics have a 200 yd. head start. But it’s literally the same 180 gr. bullet. That edge is maintained with distance. So a 300 yd. hit with the .300 is the same impact as the .308 from 500 yds. A hit at 500 yds. with a .300 Mag. is still pretty substantial. Does it really matter with game? Also shooting characteristics come into play. The 10 lb .308 does not recoil to a notable degree, the .300 Win. mag in the same format recoils a lot more and is accompanied with a big blast using 75 gr. of powder compared to 45 grs. It’s up to the shooter to tie down that difference in shootability and harness the ballistic edge.

So does the .308 sniper rig take a back seat to the .300 in the hunting fields or is it more up to the shooter? Will a tough animal notice?

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My thought

Sunny
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 08:52 (2064 days ago) @ WB

A 308 in the pump is more deadly than a 300 win mag in the rump

Hammer

Rw
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 19:10 (2063 days ago) @ Sunny

I've shot a ton of mule deer,WT antelope pigs and elk with both. The 308 will dang sure do it, but I noticed the 300 put them down alot quicker , my daughter saw me spot a bull elk and said dang he went down hard, and she has sot alot with her old 270. Bottom line have confidence in the cal and your abilities. I love them both. But shoot alot

For me if ranges were 300 or so and under

Derek
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 09:09 (2064 days ago) @ WB

The 308 would get the nod. The extra speed supposedly makes it easier to hit at longer ranges 400+ yards. I still like to get as close as I can before pulling the trigger. I have seen some cross canyon shots made out west with the 300s and im sure the extra speed makes it easier.Hey,
If you can shoot the 300s as good as a 308 then why not use the 300 for the extra reach?

First off I have no business past 300.

WB
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 09:20 (2064 days ago) @ Derek

I really don't. However I have a Southern perspective and I'm shocked at what some are forced into out West. 500-600 yds. is nothing out in the open with nothing but sage grass full of snakes to stalk through. Ditto I figure in Africa some places.

It's just some living room quarterbacking. I was floating the idea to upgrade my little "long range" rig but I'm not sure I really need to for the trouble. I'm getting old, need more focus on actually going out and using rather than just dreaming about it.

My Uncle dreamed of a Moose hunt in Alaska

Jim Taylor
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 10:24 (2064 days ago) @ WB

for years. Woke up one day and was too old to go. Do it now while you can.

I think here in the state, 308 or 30-06 is all ..

Gus S.
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 10:30 (2064 days ago) @ WB

... you'll ever need. 300 Win Mag is about the max of what I'm comfortable shooting a lot on the bench. Even then, I have to take a break after 7-10 shots. I've hunted a good bit with 308 Win and I'm confident in what it does for me. That said, if you shoot 300 Win Mag well, then do it. I have a friend, a great big fella, that only owns one bolt action and its' 300 Win Mag. He's hunted all over the US with it. He'll sit at the bench and shoot it all day when we go to the range before deer season. If I'm ever lucky enough to do an African hunt, I'd take what Doug took. A 9.3 and a 300 WM and,.. and for a scoped pistol and 378GNR. But I certainly wouldn't be getting rid of a fine shooting 308 Win. Its a solid 300 yard+ shooter (you your'e a 300 yard + shooter) and carries plenty of stank down range for 95% of what you want to kill.

Just my opinion.

I have 4 .308 rifles and one M77 .300

Larry Fry
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 11:24 (2064 days ago) @ WB

win mag, glass bedded and the barrel floated. Both calibers in my opinion are suited for most game I will ever encounter in the US short of the really big dangerous game. Both are capable in my opinion of taking plains game where ever you are. I would not shoot the .308 over 3-4 hundred yards on heavy game but have shot lighter objects at 800+ yards with the .308. I have also used the .300 win mag with 70 grains of H4350 under a 165 grain BTHP hornady bullet with a muzzle velocity chronographed at 3100 fps. It is extremely accurate out of my M77 and can easily hit light critters <300 lbs out to 1000 yards if you have the weapon dialed in with your eyes, scopes and shooting ability. I have not used the heavier bullets like the 180 grain or 220 grain as I would not use that gun for large bear or moose. (I still believe in slug shotgun for really dangerous game up close!) At 76 I still love my .300 win mag but use the .308 for most game as my longest shot will be 100 to 150 yards with most of them <75 yards. A .300 win mag at close range will turn the meat to jelly all around the entrance and exit holes and it just ruins too much to be practical for close range shooting for game you intend to eat like deer. Since I have never shot any plains game in Africa I am not sure what the wound characteristics are for large PG over 5 or 6 hundred pounds.

you betcha. I have seen big African animals like the Blue

Gary Reeder
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 12:44 (2064 days ago) @ WB

Wildebeest take 4 rounds of 378 GNR and still need a finishing shot with the 510 GNR. I saw another Blue Wildebeest take 6 rounds of 450 GNR and still try to get up. And the shots on both these animals could be covered by your hand on the point of shoulder and just behind the shoulder. In my opinion African animals are much tougher animals than No. American game.

One of Colleen's girlfriends took a 308 with her to Africa in 2019 and took several shots per animal and the shots were in the right spot whereas Colleen used her Colt Sauer in 300 Win Mag and all were single shot kills. I know some folks have taken African animals with small calibers but that depends upon perfect bullet placement. Just like my 41 GNR on 2000 lb water buffalo or 6X6 bull elk and so on. If I screw up then I have a wounded animal on my hands but in most cases with the right shot placement the animal drops with one shot.

on one of our Africa hunts Colleen shot a

Gary Reeder
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 14:02 (2064 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Springbok (65 Lbs) with a 270 she borrowed from the Ph (her guns hadn't arrived yet. They got there on the 3rd day). It hit the animal just behind the shoulder. The animal slammed to the ground, got up and ran he ran about 200 yards before piling up. When we got to the place where he fell at the shot, his heart was in a bush behind where he stood. He ran 200 yards with no heart in his body.
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An another hunt in Africa we jumped a big Impala. the PH told me to shoot him as he was record book quality. The animal was at a fast trot straight away from me at maybe 50 yards. I put a 375 grain bullet up his ass and at that he ran like he was on fire. We followed the blood trail and the animal had jumped over some dead brush and his entrails must have been hanging out and caught on the sticks in the dead brush. All of his guts were ripped out and were on the ground where he jumped over them. The Impala ran for maybe 100 yards before dropping and all that with no guts inside him.
That's how tuff African animals are.

I'm not that lucky, my idea of .416'ing

WB
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 15:11 (2063 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

the crap out of everything has merit for me. LOL That 350 gr. pill has more smack. I can ramp it up to Weatherby specs. in the gun but the 18" barrel limits progress. It's better to ease it out at 2500-2600 fps and pretend it's just a big .308 Winchester.

My 8mm gnr in a g2 frame was a killing machine.

Lymey
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 15:17 (2063 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

I made 4 one shot kills including wildebeest, eland, gemsbuck, and sable. Two more were dead on their feet but Buda asked me to put another round in them. Debra made one shot kills on her impala and her bontebuck her 7mm gnr. I think that those gnr rounds are very impressive. Brought my cape Buffalo down in 2 shots from my 45/70. The second shot he was running hard. This was my first time over there so I don't have the experience of most on here, however,, as always, a well placed shot with the right bullet will do the trick.

My 8mm gnr in a g2 frame was a killing machine.

Lymey
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Monday, December 21, 2020, 17:55 (2063 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

I made 4 one shot kills including wildebeest, eland, gemsbuck, and sable. Two more were dead on their feet but Buda asked me to put another round in them. Debra made one shot kills on her impala and her bontebuck her 7mm gnr. I think that those gnr rounds are very impressive. Brought my cape Buffalo down in 2 shots from my 45/70. The second shot he was running hard. This was my first time over there so I don't have the experience of most on here, however,, as always, a well placed shot with the right bullet will do the trick.

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