I think I am getting soft.....

John W
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 04:00 (2055 days ago)

I have been hunting with the muzzleloader all week to no avail. Monday I did kick one out of the laurel patch on my way to my treestand but the rest of the day was for naught.

I did check my trail cameras. On one I see a large doe and two smaller ones. I believe that they are a family group. Now I do have a doe permit but there is a part of me that is hesitant to take the big doe.

I have today and then tomorrow. The season will close until October when archery opens up.

So. I am wondering if I should shoot the big doe and leave the two smaller ones on their own, if they show up at one site?

Happy to share my thoughts on this

GregG
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 04:46 (2055 days ago) @ John W

First, I don't consider your hesitation a sign of weakness. I suspect it is a healthy blend of ethics and pragmatism. You're flashing back to the old nursery rhyme - "Should I kill the goose that lays the golden eggs?" Sounds like deer are a bit sparse in the area. Deer don't wander far from their birthplace so if you shoot the big doe, that takes a reproductive engine out of the area - the probability of more deer in the future, at least from her is diminished. You're concerned that if you shoot the big doe you're really killing 3 deer, as the small ones may not be ready to breed or last long without supervision. I think if you shoot the big doe, your ethics will haunt you as you start to take that first bite at the dinner table. You'll be thinking about those two little ones and your meal will be unsatisfying. I think the better story for your grandkids is how you could have harvested the big doe but allowed it to live and continue to pro-create - for you and for them. The does will all be around next season - likely with some friends. Then you can shoot with a clear conscience.

That's a very well put view. I agree.

WB
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 07:21 (2055 days ago) @ GregG

I think John sees it that way too, from what he said. I'm hesitant to shoot anything but gray old does. I know they need thinning out but that is what Archery season is for. Let those boys have them, beat their chests.

I agree with Greg, as a small farmer;

JJ
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 05:58 (2055 days ago) @ John W

I see the calves and kids that are dam raised will bed near or with their mother for life and the bottle fed babies which were removed from the dam will not recognize her and will bed with other yearlings within their grouping. I believe that I see this reflected in deer bedding areas which is easily recognized when snow in play to highlight the bedding tendencies.

Years ago while bow hunting, two deer came in and as I drew back on the larger doe the second deer ran a few steps to the first and tried to nurse. I let the bow down as I felt that it was not my position to wean the yearling. My hunting buddies did bust on me for my inaction with one stating that he "Would have stuck the baby to the ground with an arrow and then killed mom".

Your choice is well reasoned and your future hunting opportunities with benefit as Greg stated. I like his observation of the distaste while eating the meal. Likewise, I often wonder how guys that illegally take an animal and have it mounted can ever look at it on the wall and not think about their unethical actions.

Back in the late 90's I had an elk that I killed in AZ

Lymey
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 17:06 (2054 days ago) @ JJ

stolen. Never could understand that someone could put it on their wall with any pride in stealing it. Go figure.

Unscrupulous degenerates devoid of religion

GregG
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Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 20:00 (2054 days ago) @ Lymey

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