Reading Al Goerg, it seems that

John W
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Saturday, January 02, 2021, 19:12 (2051 days ago)

his most common means of shelter was a simple tarp.

Right now I have a couple of silicon/nylon tarps in my collection.

This is making me think and that can be a bad thing.

Al Goerg's equipment on a hunt

gary reeder
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Saturday, January 02, 2021, 19:16 (2051 days ago) @ John W

Don't laugh but

John W
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Saturday, January 02, 2021, 19:25 (2051 days ago) @ gary reeder

I want to do some hunts like that. Super light, so to speak. A sleeping bag and pad, one pot to cook, maybe a whisperlite stove, one knife and a tarp.

Also the Ruger Redhawk that you worked on is quite accurate and with a good handload would work on most game.

When I ws younger I could endure much more

WB
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Saturday, January 02, 2021, 20:23 (2051 days ago) @ John W

even think it was fun a week or so afterward. Georg seemed immune to hypothermia. I am not. I get it easily and could die! I once got it in Daytona Beach at 60 deg. I ran from a hot tub into a room that did not have the heat on. Thankfully they stuck me in the hot shower before I passed out totally or bit my tongue off from all the chattering.

Your Jeremiah Johnson fantasy is cool sounding, but I can't go with you. I need some Gortex and lots of Dupont Hollofil support. I'm not getting out of my big fluffy bag until that fire is roaring either. lol

Goerg didn't have nice light sleeping bags that worked well even when wet (like we do now). Those tarps are not poly light either and were usually leaky. I know times were different and men were harder, but man you can die out there if you are not literally and mentally prepared. He couldn't just run to the hotel if weather got harsh. Speaking of, they had crap weather reporting back then too. Radar was still new. Plus he was taking pot shots at bears with a .22!

Roughed it a week in Mexico ... slept under the stars

Jim Taylor
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Saturday, January 02, 2021, 21:37 (2051 days ago) @ WB

in a 30 foot Winnebago with air conditioning and a microwave oven and a King Size bed. Man, that was tough.

I've been to the desert once. It made me wonder

WB
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Saturday, January 02, 2021, 22:27 (2051 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

how any cowboy could flop his saddle down and roll up in a blanket next to his fire (like the movies show). He'd awake with 6-7 Rattlesankes asleep atop him, IF he had not already been carried down an aunt hole. Not to mention scorpions or other crawly things. I just don't know how they did it.

The old fellas here in Montana are just tough. The

Lymey
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 01:41 (2051 days ago) @ WB

mountains and the cold had a way of selecting out the weak.

They have good mitochondria.

John W
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 05:36 (2051 days ago) @ Lymey

Cody Lundin is a survival instructor who is noted to go around bare foot in all climatic conditions. He made a point where if you are exposed to extremes of temperature the cells of your body develop more mitochondria or little heat engines for your cells.

cold weather

joepjs
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 11:03 (2050 days ago) @ John W

Did the cold weather thing at K4 and Chosin and I was better at enduring cold when I was younger with a shelter half and a sleeping bag and a parachute. I now hate cold weather and go to Florida when it gets cold up North. I was lucky to keep my toes.

By 1885,

IC
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 09:58 (2050 days ago) @ WB

the average weight for a drover's bedroll was 90 pounds. They were carried in a separate wagon, as were their rifles usually.

So I take it a tarp and goose down bag

John W
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 05:37 (2051 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

aren't on the vacation list?

I want to do some of those things while I can

John W
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 05:33 (2051 days ago) @ WB

I have noticed that I do not take the cold like I did say even ten years ago. I recall hunting in below zero weather without too much issue. Now I notice it affects me a bit. Say in ten years I may not deal with it at all.

30 YEARS AGO I TESTED THE .475 AND .500

JT
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 08:39 (2051 days ago) @ John W

LINEBAUGH IN 25 DEGREEE WEATHER. NOW I LIKE THE TEMP TO BE AROUND MY AGE AND I ONLY SHOOT THE BIG STUFF WHEN ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. DON'T COUNT ON 10 YEARS. DO IT SOON.

DO IT NOW! WHILE YOU CAN

JT
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 07:11 (2051 days ago) @ John W

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That's what J D jones told me 40 years ago.

Alcorn
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 11:14 (2050 days ago) @ JT

Do it now!

I did a lot of tarp camping as a kid and young man

Blake
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 07:28 (2051 days ago) @ John W

A tarp and a bivisack for your sleeping bag you where protected from the weather and could cook breakfast and dinner right from the sleeping bag, using a white gas stove. Back in the 90’s I did my first hunt on Ossabaw island for deer and hogs. Back then I still did a lot of whitewater raft guiding, kayaking, and sea kayaking. I did that trip from a sea kayak, it was about the time I had gown full on handgun hunter. I had a 7.5” ruger vaquero in 45LC. I was shooting 300gr LBT’s at 1250fps with H110. Back then I didn’t know about rotating the barrel for windage so I bent the front sight to the right about 1/8” and tuck that much of the top and it was sighted in dead on at 30 yards. I loaded my sea kayak with my gear and food and water for 4 days and left fort Macalister and paddled 12 miles down the intercostal waterways, mostly the Bear River, to Ossabaw island. I was used to camping with a trap and bivi and just a white gas stove witch made my equipment list small enough for the sea kayak. I managed to take a doe and a hog over the next few days, and from that point on a handgun hunter for life. I had taken 4 gallons of water with me not knowing if there was fresh water on the island, witch there was. So I had plenty of room for the boned out meat for the trip home. I still hunt Ossabaw ever chance I get but not from a kayak anymore

I have heard of those island hunts

John W
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 09:03 (2051 days ago) @ Blake

I know Georgia conducts a draw for those special hunts but there seems to be a cool factor to me hunting on an island.

Just curious. Did you use a sleeping pad with your bag and bivy? Thanks

Yea the bivi I use is just a cover for the sleeping bag

Blake
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 10:27 (2050 days ago) @ John W

The original one I had was a north-face. Heavy coated bottom nylon with grommets in the corners , so it could be staked in if you where on a slight slope. The top was a breathable nylon that made a nice sheet in warm weather. You can get them in Gore-Tex now. I still have the North Face one from the 70’s I had as a kid. I use the Gatewood cape now, it packs smaller than a tarp and is more weather proof. I carry it mostly on day trips hunting as a just in case I have to spend the night in the woods.

Have you guys messed with Tyvek?

WB
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Sunday, January 03, 2021, 11:05 (2050 days ago) @ Blake

It seems a very useful product and light weight. However it does not breathe, I don't think. Find someone building a house and borrow some for personal use.

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