Some Thoughts About Cast Bullets and Game

Jim Taylor
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Thursday, January 07, 2021, 16:05 (2046 days ago)

While I cannot claim to be an authority on the subject (and there are those who can) I feel I can still speak to the subject having dropped a fair number of game with cast bullets from a revolver. I have nowhere near the experience of many. Yet from what I have seen and done I have formed some conclusions about cast bullets and game animals.

1. The game will probably not react to being shot like you figured it will. (That goes for any bullet you use. There is always the exception.)

2. With sixguns there is no magic bullet. Good bullet placement is what counts. (Again, this applies to all bullets and firearms.)

3. With sixguns, higher velocity only flattens your trajectory a little. It does not increase the "killing power".

4. Not only learn to shoot well enough to put the bullet where it should go, but learn to hunt well enough in order to get close enough so you can do that cleanly and efficiently.

Example #1 - 454 Casull & 260 gr. Keith #4554424

Using a 7 1/2" .454 Casull loaded with the Keith #454424 260 gr. SWC cast hard and loaded over 29 gr. H-110 (velocity = 1530 fps) I shot a young forkhorn Mule Deer at about 75 yards. The shot was broadside into his left side. I aimed for just behind the shoulder. At the shot the deer flinched, looked around, then walked slowly away. I was getting ready to shoot again when I noticed it was wobbling. It walked maybe 60 feet, laid down under a mesquite tree, and in few moments its head fell over.

Upon examination the bullet had gone where I aimed. It got both lungs and the liver, coming in slightly from the rear. The entrance and exit wounds were both clean. Damage internally was about what I had seen from a .243 rifle at 150 yards. This seems to be fairly typical of cast bullets. Not too much reaction unless you hit a major nerve center.

Example #2 - .45 Ruger & 305 gr. #454629GC

A Coues Whitetail buck, shot with the 305 gr. bullet loaded over 23 gr. WW-296. The shot was about 20 feet and the hit was almost perfectly crossways through both shoulders. Later examination proved the heart had the top taken off. At the shot the deer whirled and ran as if I had missed. I found it down the trail about 50 yards completely bled out.

Again this seems typical. If they do not drop at the shot there usually is a short mad run. If the bullet is in the correct place that is. They will often break out running as if the shot missed.

Example #6 - 45 Ruger & #457191

I shot a large Javelina sow at about 30 yards with this gun and bullet. The load was my favorite - 18.5 gr. 2400. I hit the sow broadside through the lung/heart area and she commenced to back up, shaking her head, until she fell. After I cleaned her I was looking around and in the grass discovered a dead Javelina boar. The heavy slug had gone through the sow, then full-length through the boar. The slug had gone in his chest and out the left rear ham. The sow did not drop immediately but the boar did. When using heavy bullets realize- they do penetrate!

The 240 - 250 gr. bullets in the .44 Magnum will cleanly take anything in North America if the hunter does his part. I have an old letter in my files from Elmer Keith. He told me of a man he knew who killed 8 black bears with the .44 Magnum using the Keith #429421 SWC over 22 gr. 2400. All were broadside shots. All were one-shot kills. All exited the far side.

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Charles
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Thursday, January 07, 2021, 19:10 (2046 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

Jim I appreciate the comments as I too have noticed different reactions with not just deer but with lots of different animals. Even with my 454 shooting Swift Aframes 300gr @1550fps
hog ran 50yds with top 1/3 of its heart blown away.
Aoudad that have been textbook shots jump and run usually short distances with one or both front shoulders taken out.
The Corsican Ewe that took a hit at 55yds double lung, didn’t jump or run. Simply turned and walked about 30yds and laid down under a tree and died.
Cast? Like you said hmmmm go figure. one of my favorite hip guns Ruger BH 4-5/8” with a 335 cast LWNFP @1200fps (leadhead bullets) combo
always been accurate for me. sometimes it doesn’t take much to miss that precise spot of aim. A little high on a doe a few years back left me watching her as she’s blowing blood out the lungs hiding behind a tree. what was a perfect broadside opportunity at 60yds, now becomes the money shot at 75, Done deal and left the two hunters and the guides son, talking to themselves. shot placement is paramount

It is always nice to

james
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Friday, January 08, 2021, 12:25 (2045 days ago) @ Charles

read good information from someone that`s "been there and done that"....

I had a little tough luck with my cast .308’s

WB
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Thursday, January 07, 2021, 20:14 (2046 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

On sheep. Zipped through barely slowing. No hollow points to help either, that’s what I needed.

I shot it 5 times, making 10 holes! The TN Hillbilly skinning it said to me “you hate sheep?” LOL

Have you taken game with cast and the .30-30?

Not many .... had both good and bad experiences.

Jim Taylor
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Thursday, January 07, 2021, 21:44 (2046 days ago) @ WB

Shot doe that I nearly lost. My fault as I shot too high but not high enough to hit the spine.

But had that same result with the Model 71 .348. Bullets were jacketed soft point but intended for larger game. I shot a Whitetail at about 20 feet. Luckily it ran out into a bean field .. ran over 100 yards before it started going in circles and fell over. 34 caliber hole in and out.

Made me start thinking about matching the bullet to the game i was hunting.

I would think it's a very safe bet to

Mark Conner
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Thursday, January 07, 2021, 21:59 (2046 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

to say I probably have the least amount of experience taking game with a handgun as compared to anybody here. The few I have shot were all with cast bullets.

A Bison was shot at about 35 yards with 454 and a 310 gr. water dropped WFN. The spine was hit and dropped right there. Deer have been shot with the 454 Casull and 455 GNR with WFN and LFN bullets. It seems that with deer most of the time I have noticed a short flat out run with them dying mid stride or laying down after not too far.

Coyotes have all been called in so close shots. With the 455 GNR and 300 gr. LBT LFN-HP or a 260 gr. 454424, they have all dropped where they were shot.

As for Rock Chucks any good cast HP from the 218 Mashburn Bee Coyote Classic, the 300 GNR or a SWC from the 455 GNR will suffice.

I have killed a lot more deer with my flint rifle than a revolver, but with a patched round ball (230 grs of lead at about the same velocity) I notice the same results.

thanks for the discussion

Lynn
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Friday, January 08, 2021, 12:11 (2045 days ago) @ Mark Conner

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