Match The Bullet To The Game Animal

Jim Taylor
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Friday, January 08, 2021, 07:40 (2046 days ago)

One deer season some years ago I went into the woods with my Model 71 Winchester in caliber .348 WCF. I found a nice tree to set under and leaned back against it, watching the edge of the woods. Past the woods was a large bean field. Not too long after sunrise a nice Whitetail buck came sauntering by after have a had a nice breakfast in the field. I raised the rifle slowly, put the sights on him ... he was less than 30 feet away .. and shot him using a Hornady 200 gr. JFP at 2650 fps. At the shot the deer turned directly away from me and ran out into the bean field. He sounded like a horse galloping. I put the sights on his butt but hesitated shooting. The shot I had fired into him was placed good, so I waited. The deer ran 100 yards like it had not been hit before slowing, stumbling and finally falling. When I cleaned him I found the shot was through the right front shoulder, clipped the vessels above the heart, got both lungs and exited the left shoulder. It was about a .34 caliber hole in and out.

Later in the week I shot another Whitetail at about 40 yards. I used a 6" .41 Magnum with 200 gr. Speer JHP's at 1420 fps. The deer collapsed at the shot, then made a leap off it's back legs, hit the ground and kicked it last.

Why the difference? Bullet placement and performance. The .348 bullet simply punched a small .34 caliber hole through and never expanded. It only clipped a couple major blood vessels and it took some time for the animal to bleed out. The .41 bullet expanded but still punched clean through breaking both front shoulders and taking part of the heart while doing it. While the rifle had much more muzzle energy on paper it's performance was less than spectacular due to my having used too hard a bullet for the animal being hunted and hitting the animal a bit too high.

It was a good lesson. Match the bullet to the game animal. And in any case, put the bullet in the right place. Even if it does not open up it will still take them down, though often not as quickly.

That is pretty much the way hardcast lead bullets work. I killed a lot of game with hardcast bullets in the .45 Colt and that was mostly the norm ... a quick run and then collapse .. though if I did not put the bullet in proper place it was sometimes a long run. But there was blood leaking out both sides of the animal. Hunting hogs one time I was walking through the woods on the trail of some pigs when off to my left, down over a hill, I hear a gunshot. All of a sudden here comes a huge old pig running at me with blood spurting out the left and right sides like it was coming from a garden hose! It ran about 20 or 30 feet and collapsed, totally bled out. A .500 Linebaugh with a big flat nose slug knocked a huge hole in and out. It was quite impressive.

That Winchester M71 is an odd one.

WB
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Friday, January 08, 2021, 08:04 (2046 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

It's a real blaster but was not made with any other provision for sighting than peep sights. IT certainly had the power to benefit from optical sighting. But in it's day it was designed for serious work. Optics were still more a European feature than Yankee on some platforms, particularly leverguns. I guess you could mount one on a side mount but I have never seen one done so.

I know a guy that had a Deluxe 71. He laid it atop his car top and drove off. He heard something and looked in the rear mirror to see the rifle spinning along on the asphalt at 50 mph. The story alone made me tear up some! I think he still has it but what a sad tale.

I think Dave Manson has one and likes it very much. Shot a charging Grizzly momma with it!

Colleen has one of the originals her Dad gave

gary reeder
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Friday, January 08, 2021, 08:49 (2045 days ago) @ WB

her years ago. In the cowboy shoots she always used that rifle even with the recoil it has.

Dave Manson did shoot a female Grizzly with his and hit her several times before she fell to the guides 338 Win Mag. The 348's lack of clean kills was what made Johnson use the gun and brass to develop his 450 Alaskan. He had a small shop out in the middle of nowhere Alaska and did his gunsmithing and conversions in that shop for years.

Good to see you back in the saddle, Bwana.

GregG
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Friday, January 08, 2021, 09:45 (2045 days ago) @ gary reeder

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not really back in the saddle but the pills the Doc gave me

gary reeder
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Friday, January 08, 2021, 09:49 (2045 days ago) @ GregG

seem to be helping. Still can't spend more than an hour or two at work.

At least you're on your feet. Hang tough

GregG
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Saturday, January 09, 2021, 06:44 (2045 days ago) @ gary reeder

Take the meds and follow the doctor's directions. Conserve your energy for what's important. Your improved health is in everyone's prayers.

thanks. I wish I could help Colleen out a little more

gary reeder
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Saturday, January 09, 2021, 09:58 (2044 days ago) @ GregG

but with this crap I have I have no immune system and I just don't need to be trying to help 4 or 5 customers at a time and being 2 feet away from them the whole time. So as much as it bothers me I need to stick around the house as much as possible. Thanks for the thoughts.

After results similar to yours, I have

Mark Conner
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Friday, January 08, 2021, 19:49 (2045 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

been playing with different alloys. Generally, I have shot a 50/50 mix of wheel weights and pure lead water dropped in a LBT WFN or LFN style.

I am thinking for Deer next season that I will try a 16-1 alloy in either the 454424 or a LBT LFN-HP out of the 455 GNR.

Matching alloys for chucks and coyotes with the 300 GNR, I think my old standard of wheel weights and pure lead water dropped is about perfect. The nose is brittle enough that it completely comes apart.

This is the 100 gr. LBT HP out of the 300 GNR at about 30 yards in wet pack phone books.
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