A modern rifle I'm looking at is generally

WB
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:51 (2027 days ago)

available in two calibers. 6.5 Creedmoor and 7-08. Everyone that knows me understands I love the 7mm and the 7-08 is a modern thinking man's 7X57 (aka .275 Mauser) and more. How can you go wrong?!

The hyperbole 6.5 Creedmoor is actually a very good cartridge. Basically a purpose built target round adapted later into a game cartridge. The case is specifically designed to be efficient and provide atypical accuracy potential, characteristics, beyond normal rounds. It's a bit less powerful than the 7mm-08, just a bit.

For general purpose including even perhaps African med. plains game which one? Play nice.

Anything 6.5. Anything else is very pedestrian.

Tim Pence
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:05 (2027 days ago) @ WB

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Also on the .264 cal. why are all the cast bullet

WB
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:13 (2027 days ago) @ Tim Pence

Mould designs for it the UGLIEST bullets ever cast? Festooned with many multiples of small lube grooves from stem to stern with little protruding smooth. I don’t recall anything other than uninspiring RN designs. UGLY bullets! Coming from a realist caster that acknowledges that looks seldom reflect performance.

African plains game

Alcorn
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Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 06:46 (2026 days ago) @ WB

300 magnum with premium 180-190 gr bullets or more.

Hear, hear! Use enough gun...

Df
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Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 07:09 (2026 days ago) @ Alcorn

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If I could shot a rifle

Alcorn
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Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 16:36 (2026 days ago) @ Df

I would take a 338 Win mag with 225gr Swift A-frame, for plains game.

the 6.5 Creedmoor is a good cartridge BUT it is

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 12:55 (2026 days ago) @ Tim Pence

not what the gun writers portray it to be and it for sure is not an elk cartridge. A gun writer friend told me 3 gun writers had been fired for taking $$ under the table and writing articles portraying the Creedmoor as the all around hunting cartridge for big game and stretching it's capabilities in writing.

Both are excellent. The 6.5 Creedmoor is nothing more

Huey
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:08 (2027 days ago) @ WB

Than the old 250 Ackley Improved necked up .007". P.O. Ackley himself said it was his best creation. No small endorsement in itself.

I like everything on the 308 Case except the 243 Winchester. I just can't learn to like it. The 25-08 (aka 25 Souper) never got the recognition it deserved. The gun writers gave the 25s the axe when the 6mms were new. Gotta sell more guns.

The 7mm-08 was my first Encore and I learned to love it. It's excellent ina handgun or rifle. Today, I don't own one. I do have a 7x57 Mauser and two 275 Rigbys.

OT, but that 25 Souper would be great. Went with 250 Savage

Tim Pence
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:14 (2027 days ago) @ Huey

Improved.

BTW, my 6.5 Creedmoor is a limited Ruger #1...

Huey
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:14 (2027 days ago) @ Huey

Lightweight Edition with a 24" barrel. With 6.5 StaBall Powder, I can break 2800 fps with a 140 grn. But, I like the 129 grn Hornady SST better these days.

Honestly my 6mm AI is possibly superior

WB
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24 (2027 days ago) @ Huey

In its respective caliber. I need to shoot it! A good friend blessed me with some bullets a while back. I am most thankful.

I still have 10,000+ 6mm bullets and don't own one

Huey
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:27 (2027 days ago) @ WB

I've thought about buying a Contender Barrel in 6 PPC or something to utilize them. Probably never happen, should just sell them.

Did you stock up on 6.5?! High demand.

WB
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:29 (2027 days ago) @ Huey

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Yeah, I'm good...

Huey
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:30 (2027 days ago) @ WB

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WB I wouldnt take either one to africa, the

jthomson
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:05 (2027 days ago) @ WB

6.5 and 7 mm are both ballistic superior bullets in underpowered cases. I own both and they simply dont have the case capacity to be good past a few hundred yards. If I were to pick one gun to take for plains game it would be my 300 win mag.

That is a very popular round for the task

WB
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:41 (2027 days ago) @ jthomson

Interestingly while looking at my bread and butter old .30-06 and researching I came across an article that said a .30-06 with a modern 190 gr. bullet SURPASSED the .300 Win. Mag. loaded with a flat based 180 gr. more conventional bullet at something over 200 yds. Tall talk but you can look for yourself. VERY interesting. Obviously load the 190 in the .300 and it's a different story.

But it reflects the advances in bullet tech we have today that was totally unheard of in the 1960's. If the 7x57 killed stacks of game in Africa in the 1930's and the 6.5 was all the rage even before it would still do it today in the right hands. Arguably your .300 has a marked edge. But if a person cannot handle the recoil and misses...

I was looking at it (6.5/7mm) for an all round secondary gun. This new fangled plastic wonder that shoots less than MOA. For my birthday maybe. Or perhaps another Colt SAA, if I could find a beater priced right.

Jon, Alcorn and Doug Faith are all right. It is

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:12 (2026 days ago) @ jthomson

not an African cartridge. Alcorn and Doug have both been with me in Africa and know what they are talking about. My gut feeling is Jon has been there too.

The 7X57 (AKA 275 Rigby) took thousands of elephant but was done with a very well placed brain shot by a very good shot. It, like the Creedmoor, is not a cartridge I would recommend for all around African hunting.

I have watched African game hit with cartridges equal to the Creedmoor run off making for a long day tracking. In my humble opinion the 300 Win Mag is still the perfect plains game cartridge and the 375 H&H for the large plains game. And I say this even being a strictly handgun hunter. Kase shot a Common Reedbuck point of shoulder with a custom 378 Weatherby and it ran off. The same thing happened the next day with a Blue Wildebeest. All should have dropped on the spot but ran off. We finally chalked the 378 Weatherby as being way too fast for the 270 grain bullet and the bullet exploding on impact.

The main thing in Africa is shot placement. A shot in the ass with a 458 is still a shot in the ass. Colleen used her 300 Win Mag for 3 of her big African game on this past hunt for one shot dropped on the spot kills, and shot 2 others including her monster Cape Buffalo with a 458 rifle I built for her, again one shot kills.

To get to the gist of this never ending answer, the Creedmoor is an excellent target cartridge and should be left at home when venturing to Africa.

On this next (and last) African hunt of mine, good Lord willing, I plan to use the 450 GNR for my Cape Buffalo as I did a couple of years ago. I am bringing my 416 GNR as back up and my 310 GNR for the long range plains game animals. In handgun hunting 225 to 250 yards is long range.

6.8 Western

Clyde
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Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 08:37 (2026 days ago) @ WB

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Breathing life into the .270!!

Dave H.
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Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 08:55 (2026 days ago) @ Clyde

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They for sure have some good High Bc bullets

Derek
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Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:16 (2026 days ago) @ Dave H.

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