Your pet .380, a very weak sister.

WB
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Friday, February 05, 2021, 19:52 (2017 days ago)

I too carry a .380 auto from time to time. Very handy and no doubt much more effective than the old pocket pieces of days gone by. My personal model is not much bigger than a "big" .25 ACP and about the same size as the older smallest .32's. It has it's useful place for sure.

But powerwise, it's no cannon! It's sole redeeming trait is the ability to barely penetrate 12" of ballistic gelatin (which BTW has no bones). This is the accepted (in some circles) baseline character for adequate penetration for self defense. Ballistically it is the same, basically, as the old top-break revolvers in .38 S&W. Even those typically used a more effective 146 gr. FN lead bullet than modern wonder JHP we have today, as to straight penetration. There were the military 200 gr. loads and 150 gr. RNL but look honestly, comparing it vs the 90-95 gr. .380 ACP bullet running 750-900 fps.

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Your pocket rocket .380 is about the ballistic twin of it's great grandaddy the old .38 S&W. Not much more than a rimless version with a lighter bullet and ONE more round in the gun!

I had the misfortune to dispatch a terminal 40 lb. goat with my Kahr .380 and $5 worth of Hornady Critical Defense 90 gr. FTS ammo, point blank. I was NOT impressed. Terminal performance was very similar to a .22 LR 40 gr. bullet, only larger in diameter. There was minimal impact shock and I do not think the bullet expanded more than becoming flat nosed. I was not looking forward to the deed but the lackluster performance only magnified my displeasure. Even a .38 Special with the wonderful SWC would have been most welcome by comparison. No the .380 is not a powerhouse. It might work in a pinch, but it's a just barely "do" round in my view. About anything bigger would be better if it were truly a possibility that it might be called into service. Fine for a back up, but no way a primary for me. I carry mine when I do not feel much of a real threat.

P.S. The Makarov .37 cal. is a 95 gr. at 1100 fps and not in the same class in my view. Worked as good (if not better) than a 9X19 for me on hole digging Armadillo.
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I like the fluted bullets in the 380 ACP...

Huey
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Friday, February 05, 2021, 19:59 (2017 days ago) @ WB

ATX/Ruger/Interceptor and that sort. Shot everything from dirt, boards, steel containers and the sort. The fluted bullets worked best by far...

I like the science behind the technology

WB
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Friday, February 05, 2021, 20:20 (2017 days ago) @ Huey

In theory it sounds good within controls. Throw in clothing and bone, bad angles, etc. I'm still camped with the Missouri boys.

I have a tuned PA63 I just can't seem to let go (9.3x18 MAK - the Russians round everything down). A Wolff spring kit transformed it totally. It's very accurate too. I have reloading dies and a bullet mould but have not gotten to it yet. Roman prefers the Bulgarian Makarov and it is a great shooter too.

I saw ONE cast mould design utilizing the "fluted" hydraulic dynamics technology so far. One of Gary's strange old friends was actually an early Pioneer of it. It's quite the story.

Charlie Kelsey was the man behind the fluted type bullets

gary reeder
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Saturday, February 06, 2021, 00:00 (2016 days ago) @ WB

a good friend. He sent us a big box of the bullets to test for him, but before we got the tests finished Charlie had received 2 bullets in the back of the head execution style down in Georgia if I remember right. It was rumored he pissed off the Israelis. All the fluted bullets today are copies of Charlie's bullet.

Shooting someone twice like that

WB
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Saturday, February 06, 2021, 07:08 (2016 days ago) @ gary reeder

sort of sends a message. They were professionals and made sure it took.

He was killed near the STI plant in Georgetown, TX

Jim Taylor
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Saturday, February 06, 2021, 07:39 (2016 days ago) @ WB

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I should have said "that's where they found his body" ...

Jim Taylor
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Saturday, February 06, 2021, 08:33 (2016 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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I couldn't remember where they found the body. They said it

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, February 06, 2021, 10:29 (2016 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

was also set on fire.

I'm sorry WB for anything I might have said

jthomson
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Saturday, February 06, 2021, 13:03 (2016 days ago) @ WB

about you. please dont send the Arkansas Mafia out to get me. Unless its the Ms with a sack of cookies I might fall for that LOL

Makarov

joepjs
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Saturday, February 06, 2021, 09:11 (2016 days ago) @ WB

I love my Hungarian 9x19 makarov copy of the PPK

Charlie's bullets

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, February 06, 2021, 16:09 (2016 days ago) @ joepjs

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Besides the bullets Charlie was the man behind the ASP, the cut down full custom S&W model 39.
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He liked Kase's 1 Asterisk, somewhat similar to his ASP.
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Go to about the 3:50 mark in this video

Ray
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Monday, February 08, 2021, 17:51 (2014 days ago) @ WB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXGnq1iKrUU&t=361s Clint Smith makes a declarative statement about the .380 ACP

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