Anyone else besides JT, maybe Jim shoot C&B revolvers?

WB
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 10:11 (1991 days ago)

When we were kids our parents would not let us use "real" .22 ammo in our handguns un-supervised. Somehow we talked them into letting us run around with "ratshot" in them. Of course we sneaked our real ammo and went on our merry way shooting Snakes, Turtles, Frogs, and the very unlucky Cottontail or Squirrel. A few years later when we were 14, for Christmas my friend and I formulated a plan. We both acquired Italian copies of the 1858 Remington BP revolvers. Somehow reality escaped the unawares parents and the formidable weapons found home. I'll never forget Christmas morning after showing my folks how you loaded the things (they had no clue) I put on a shooting display for my parents. You basically load the cartridge directly into the mouth of the cylinder. It gave me a good foundation, later transitioning to loading metallic cartridges. Mom just about fainted, from the sight of the plumes of fire and smoke, asking my father "what did you do?!". Dad was pretty cool about it with a required warning. Interestingly on a C&B you "load all six", and lower the hammer to rest safely between chambers on special pins or notches on the cylinder.

We normally loaded our 58's with 30 gr. FFFg and a 138 gr. .451 RB.
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We were really duded up from then on. Riding our trail bikes or horses all over, sixguns hanging from our drop rigs. We figured we really looked the part. We did have fun and didn't hurt anyone. Mine shot a foot high and 6" right at 20 yds., but I knew that and sighted accordingly. No hearing protection back then I found BP quite loud! Not the Remington but a later Colt Dragoon I had three chambers fire at the same time. One on each side of the one intended. A flash over using FFFg and no grease. Learned that lesson, it was an eye opener. 120 gr. powder and three balls, BOOM!

The big Dragoon held over 25% more powder. It's about as big and heavy as a Contender hunting rig. Made famous of late by True Grit. They were intended to be carried on the saddle, not your belt.
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Gary ventured out with the Ruger Army customs and I missed out. In my testing bullet pull in recoil became an issue much past the 220 gr. conicals and issue charges. Something we are still toying with. If you got one of the customs you are special indeed. I killed a small hog with my Ruger .45 C&B. But the custom 270 gr. pure lead conical bullets, propelled by hot 777 powder to 900 fps, barely had the beans to get into the inner body cavity where the organs were. Barely! They killed buffalo with round balls?!

A very elegant piece favored by both sides of the Civil war and made up to 1873. The Army used .44 (.451) and Navy a .36 (actually a .375) version. Power wise it equaled the solid frame Remington.
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I ordered a 1860 Colt copy I found reasonable but they are shooting up in prices and are mostly sold out! I didn't know there were that many guys that even knew how to load them! It's nice getting to order a gun and it come right to your mailbox, no FFL. At least in my state. I have others that I really like, the 1861 fluted Navy, 1862 Police, little 1849 Pocket. In this "downtime" maybe you'd find it interesting to venture out. I'm finding really great deals on some long ML right now too. Before they are discovered.

I have several

Amede
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 10:28 (1991 days ago) @ WB

1851 Steel frame 36 7.5", 1851 Steel frame 44 7.5", and a special sherrifs 1851 44 5.5". All a ton of fun, and I have found plenty of supplies here to feed them. I intend to do some walks with them this spring looking for varmints in the coulees.

Black powder

Joe California
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 19:37 (1990 days ago) @ Amede

I have an 1860 colt and an 1858 Remington along with a 54 cal. Hawkins
For a long time that was all I could afford to shoot, they are great reproductions.
I wouldn't let on that they are equal to anything we have today. This could give the antis something else to try to ban. just my thoughts.

Very nice collection Joe! Nice choices.

WB
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 19:44 (1990 days ago) @ Joe California

I've always been a fan of the .54. I have two, a Hawken TC and Renegade with .54 and .56 Smooth bore barrels. They are a hammer!

I have in the past

steve todd
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 11:24 (1991 days ago) @ WB

Right now i only have 2 that belong to my son. I usually shoot them for awhile, then show them to someone, we go shoot them, after i show how they are loaded. Guys think they are so cool, so i give them away, with all the supplies needed to shoot for a few sessions. The cleaning instructions are given, and “never let the sun set” on a dirty gun(along with checking them the following day) and my phone number in case they run into trouble or have questions.
I do still have a flintlock pistol that i really like though, along with a “few” pounds of 3f.

BEEN TRYIN' TO GET SOME

JT
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 11:30 (1991 days ago) @ WB

5-1/2" 1860/1851/1861s. GOT THE FIRST ONE IN NOVEMBER. OTHERS OUT OF STOCK. I HAVE ALL THE REPLICA COPIES FROM THE 1836 PATERSON FORWADS. JUST FLAI FUN SHOOTING AND I AM WORKING UP AN ARTICLE ON PERFECT PACKIN'PERCUSSION PISTOLS FOR SELF DEFENSE.

AND THEY DO SHOOT!

JT
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 11:40 (1991 days ago) @ JT

JT have you tried the Lee 200 gr bullet in them?

Amede
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 14:14 (1990 days ago) @ JT

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FROM MY ARTICLE

JT
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 15:06 (1990 days ago) @ Amede

Just how potent are black powder loads. The standard .45 ACP Hardball load of a 230 grain bullet at 820 fps has long been regarded, and rightly so, as a highly dependable fight stopping load. This can be duplicated in a Percussion Pistol with a 220 grain conical bullet over 35 grains of Pyrodex. The standard 140 grain round ball at 1,000 fps is an easy handling and powerful load.

Thanks

Amede
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 16:36 (1990 days ago) @ JT

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that would be a PPPP. We are building long

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 11:41 (1991 days ago) @ JT

barreled Bearcat that we call the PPP, Perfect Plinking Pistol. Most are chambered in 32 H&R or 22 Magnum
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Reading Keith's Sixguns, nice to revist it

WB
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 12:24 (1990 days ago) @ JT

He remarked how the RB from the .36 and ".45" C&B actually proved pretty formidable in actual gunfights. Lots more than the kinetic energy figures would lead you to believe. Plus back then if you got wounded seriously the risk of sepsis was truly gruesome.

One passage recounted how he kept a little 1849 .31 Pocket model in his saddle bag for running his trap line. He'd dispatch big bobcats with it. Forgoing the drama of trying to club them to death!

I've shot them and the tiny 45 gr. RB at a listed 600-700 fps sure SEEMS more powerful than a .25 ACP! I'd actually take it over one for a fight even today.

AND DON'T FORGET CHESTER ON GUNSMOKE SAYING

JT
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 13:22 (1990 days ago) @ WB

"MISTER DILLON.THAT .36 NAVY COLT WILL SHOOT CLEAN THROUGH A MAN"

The RB will do things pretty incredible

WB
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 13:55 (1990 days ago) @ JT

perhaps that's what Keith was recounting first hand. I've seen a .440 RB from a rifle shoot clean through a Whitetail at 100 yds. from only 70 gr. powder. DRT.

My personal favorite is the 1862 Pocket Police .36. If I were to arm myself today it might even be viable, although one of the .44 variants of the "Avenging Angel" might be more formidable. The little .36 is sleek and points fantastic, like an accusatory little sister.

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Many predictably lean to the classic 1851 but there are many more possible variants. The refined 1861 and 62's were really getting interesting right about the time of RF cartridge conversions coming onto the scene. A guy has to have a 1858 Remington and 1860 Colt in their collection of BP wheelguns. But the others are more interesting to me. I actually prefer longer barrels with the appropriate loading leverage but to truly carry one maybe the medium lengths are a good compromise.

When I was younger .. back in the 70's

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 14:47 (1990 days ago) @ WB

a neighbor was shot in the stomach with an 1860 Colt Army replica. The ball went through him, hit the kitchen table, bounced up and went through a cupboard door and stopped in a loaf of bread.

He survived but had an awful time of it for several years. It was almost a muzzle contact shot and all that black powder and fouling went into him ... they had to clean almost all of his insides. He was a mess.

Yikes! Was it an accident?

WB
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 16:00 (1990 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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No sir. It was deliberate.

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 16:29 (1990 days ago) @ WB

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I HAVE A READER IN ARIZONA

JT
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 15:02 (1990 days ago) @ WB

WHO CORRESPONDS REGULARLY. HIS EVERYDAY CCW CARRY GUN IS AN 1849 COLT BACKED UP BYAN 1862 POCKET POLIC EIN HIS BOOT.

C&B rep.

tedt
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 13:54 (1990 days ago) @ WB

I have 4 or 5, one of which is the dragoon replica. It is marked "Tucker and Sherrard & company". I would appreciate any info on it.

Is it REAL?!!!! Could be faked but OH if it was real!

WB
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 14:38 (1990 days ago) @ tedt

C&B

tedt
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 14:47 (1990 days ago) @ WB

Just an ubertie replica. Sorry but thanks for the info.

Just one but three Rugers.

Sid R
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 14:22 (1990 days ago) @ WB

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I read of some boys shooting those LEE REAL bullets

WB
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 14:40 (1990 days ago) @ Sid R

made for rifles out of them. I never got to try it but it sounds like a great idea. They have three progressive sized contact rings, lots of room for soft lube between. Not very sexy looking but man they shoot good from rifles.

I shoot WFN's 250 grains out of ROA's and it is money!

Sid R
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Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 15:40 (1990 days ago) @ WB

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