Field and Stream article lists "6 dead, dying, and
RonE
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 08:30 (1916 days ago)
soon-to-be-obsolete handgun cartridges:
Their headlines:
1. 32 ACP: Lingering but unloved
2. 25 Auto: Better off with a shovel
3. 41 Magnum: The compromise no one wanted
4. 32 H&R Magnum: Not magnum enough
5. 40 S&W: The FBI kills its own baby
6. 45 GAP: A case of drunken engineers
Anybody on this forum have an opinion or two?
I don't normally read Field & Stream. Just saw the headline online and thought it would be fun to share.
Obsolete Cartridges
SDD
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 08:54 (1916 days ago) @ RonE
Love the 41 mag, people have been saying it's a dead cartridge but it still lives. I currently have 7 41 mag guns. Also like the 45 GAP, I have it built in a DI AR15 and love it, very little recoil and very accurate to boot.
I'm a 41 mag fan too. Seems like its demise has been
RonE
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 09:17 (1916 days ago) @ SDD
predicted almost since its inception.
100 YARD GROUP WITH A "DEAD" CARTRIDGE
JT
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 09:24 (1916 days ago) @ RonE
110 Yard group with dead cartridge and open sights
Jim Taylor
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 09:55 (1916 days ago) @ JT
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5 shots .. 5th just barely cut the paper at the bottom.
110 yards .. sitting with my back against a fence post ..
200 gr. Speer JHP
22.0 gr. H-110
CCI #350 primer
Starline brass
Center to Center the groups measure 3 3/32"
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one more 100yd group......
james
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 11:11 (1916 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
FA`s 41![[image]](images/uploaded/2021051618103960a1601f4ebc8.jpg)
Nice!
Jim Taylor
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:42 (1916 days ago) @ james
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WOW
Lynn
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Monday, May 17, 2021, 12:39 (1915 days ago) @ james
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That was a clever article designed to stir emotions
WB
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 11:20 (1916 days ago) @ SDD
All of those listed are arguable. The .25 and .32 ACP have been around for over 120 yrs., military issued in at least two World Wars, and they still make firearms for them. Any intelligent or rational thinking man would conclude, while popularity comes and goes, a longevity like that is likely not to suddenly subside. True a shovel wielded properly, John Wick style, would be more formidable than a tiny auto, I must face reality. (1) I seldom go about with a sharp-shooter shovel and do not know of a model that will fit into my front trouser pocket, and (2) I'm no John Wick.
The .40 S&W is the modernized version of the .38/40 Win. in a easy packing semi-auto. It's within 10% of the power of the hailed 10mm auto and I know there are bunches of guns chambered in it. The longevity of a cartridge does not necessarily depend on FBI adoption or use.
The .41 Mag. What kind of a moron is this guy?! He got me to name calling! Such is the emotional attachment to the .41 Magnum. The .45 GAP was a continuation of the .40 S&W concept and while I agree a bit overzealous it was interesting thinking, a .45 ACP in a 9mm chassis.
Over time many of these types of articles have been used to manipulate readership, move folks to emotional action. The .30-06 is dead, .44 Mag. vs .45 Colt, the .44 Special is No Good etc. Don't get too wound up about it, we are playing into their hand.
Col. Askins used to write something like that ..
Jim Taylor
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 15:39 (1916 days ago) @ WB
made people upset and they wrote the editors of who he was writing for... made the editors happy because it meant people were reading his stuff.
I don't know if you remember when he was on a mission against the .44 Magnum? Wrote about how they had to invent a sport to justify its existence? Said he would stand at 400 yards and let people shoot at him with the .44 Magnum and he would catch the bullets with a catchers mitt?
Then he wrote a piece about killing a Viet Cong with the .44 Magnum and how well it worked.
He knew how to turn a phrase and how to work up a crowd.
YES HE DID. AND IT WAS 600 YARDS
JT
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 15:54 (1916 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
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I do remember several offered to do the shooting ....
Jim Taylor
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 16:07 (1916 days ago) @ JT
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I never met him but read his books
Grover Sr
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 16:15 (1916 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
Even they were thought provocative to me. That .44 magnum VC kill he claimed was the first human killed with a .44 mag. His comments about killing were such that it made me wonder if liked shooting people. During WW II he took pride in claiming to have shot a German soldier from across a river while the German was having his morning bowel movement. He seemed to be one of those individuals who was wired for war and combat.
well. .. you know what Hemingway said ...
Jim Taylor
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 16:27 (1916 days ago) @ Grover Sr
There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.
Unapologetic fan of .40 SW here (since 1995) no 9's
azj
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:27 (1916 days ago) @ RonE
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Field & Stream....Dead on Arrival
gary reeder
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 16:30 (1916 days ago) @ RonE
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GREAT MAGAZINE IN THE 1950s WITH
JT
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Monday, May 17, 2021, 09:30 (1915 days ago) @ gary reeder
"The Lower Forty Angling, Shooting and Inside-Straight Club" by Corey Ford and "The Old Man and The Boy". Latter is by Robert Ruark and available in a paperback collecion. Grand read!
my first gun mags were Outdoor Life and Field & Stream. I
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 17:05 (1914 days ago) @ JT
often what happened along the line to take away what made them special.
probably was me that changed and not the magazines
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 17:05 (1914 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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MY TWO FAVORITES
BUCKWHEAT
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 17:10 (1916 days ago) @ RonE
ARE STILL THE 222 & THE 6mm REM -- DOES FOR EVERYTHING HERE IN NEOK
OF COURSE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF 30-30's
BUT WHAT DO I KNOW ?
AND I'VE NEVER OWNED A 223 OF ANY KIND
41M dead... No way!! Cult won’t let it. (NM)
Gg2
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Sunday, May 16, 2021, 17:45 (1916 days ago) @ RonE
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Gun Magazines
David R
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Monday, May 17, 2021, 06:28 (1915 days ago) @ RonE
Most gun magazines and hunting shows fall into the same category, sponsor driven. I just take it all with a big grain of salt. They seem to forget that not everyone believes in the magic of the 6.5 madness and many of us don't really care for plastic guns......
the gun world is full of dead and dieing...
Lynn
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Monday, May 17, 2021, 12:36 (1915 days ago) @ RonE
--it depends one what you look at-- most bought-- most guns made for--- most molds for-- most reloaded... etc- I shoot what I like--..358 win and .41 mag -cause I like em-- If I did not have my .41s I would be using at least a .45 cal something or a .480--oh wait I have a 500 GNR... guess it is dead tooo:}
If they got rid of all the outlier ctgs from .25 up that would much larger list than 6... where is the fun in that
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