Tales of the Freedom Arms 454

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, June 09, 2021, 10:11 (1892 days ago)

Back in 1986 I was at my home in the southern mountains of Arizona. One afternoon a young man drove into my place and after introducing himself he said, "I heard that you have a Freedom Arms .454." I said that I did and he then asked if he could see it. I retrieved it and he looked it over and then wondered if I would let him shoot it. I said, "Sure" and got some ammo and we walked out back of the house.

I began to explain to him that you needed some conscious muscle tension in your forearm when he interrupted with "Oh I shoot a .44 Magnum." so I shut up and let him learn. He lined up a shot and when he fired the gun recoiled pretty straight back, the barrel smacking him just at the hairline. He looked startled for a minute and then said, "Oh! That kicks harder than I figured."

I give him credit. He fired the remaining 4 without hitting himself again.

One year we held the Shootists Holiday in Cody, Wyoming. John Linebaugh hosted it and arranged for us all to be housed in local motel on the outskirts of town. The ranges were set up across the road from the motel. John had put steel targets out to .. I think it was 800 yards. I may be wrong on that but they were a heck of a long ways out there.

I had loaded some 454 ammo with a 430 grain cast bullet over a light charge of Unique. They ran about 730 fps if I remember correctly. They were pretty slow. And they hit quite high at 100 yards. That big heavy bullet flipped the barrel up a ways while it was still coming down the bore.

Bud McDonald laid back in his lawn chair and using my 454 and the 430 grain loads, shot at the farthest target. I was watching through a pair of binoculars to see if I could spot the bullet strike. Bud fired. He put the gun down. He looked at me. I looked at him. I picked up the glasses to look again and we both heard "CLONK!" as the bullet hit the steel target. He shot up quite a few and pounded that target with most of them. The time of flight to the target seemed very long.

There is a video of me, John Taffin and other notorious individuals at the first Shootists Holiday in 1986. On that video Dick Casull gave us a demonstration of what he said was about the most you could do with a .454. Using his personal long barreled Freedom Arms .. I think it was 12" but may have been 10" ... he fired a 260 grain cast bullet through a piece of 3/8" steel plate. The bullet punched a clean hole.

Dick oiled the cartridge bodies before he loaded them in the chamber. He said if he didn't, the cases welded themselves to the chamber walls. The pressure of those loads had to be tremendous. Dick said that the FA 454 had a 40% margin of safety at the pressure he was running.

During that first Shootists Holiday Freedom Arms made a bunch of their guns and ammo available to us. I don't remember anymore just how much ammo there was, but I do clearly remember watching John Taffin on the ground, laying back on one elbow, 454 rested close to his upraised right knee, firing most of the day. Steadily. We shot up most all of their ammo. We were younger and more bullet-proof in those days.

I let my 6` 3" 325lb boss shoot my 454 an

james
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Wednesday, June 09, 2021, 11:10 (1892 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

told him "the gun kicks".. "no problem" he says.. At the shot the gun flew out of his hands missing his head... to be honest I was more worried about the gun then his head...

spoken as a true disciple :)

Lynn
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Wednesday, June 09, 2021, 11:59 (1892 days ago) @ james

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I shoot all sorts of calibers but I don't like the .454

WB
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Wednesday, June 09, 2021, 14:54 (1891 days ago) @ james

with a hot load, it's flat rude. It's notable worse to me than a .475 Linebaugh. It must be a faster recoil or something, it's just mean. I'm past that at my current age, both mentally and physically. But it's cool to have around if you absolutely need the most from a .45 wheelgun that is of practical size.

Gary's .429 GNR running a 310 gr. at 1600 fps in my Super Redhawk does not bother me at all. That's about the same listed loading for the .454 Casull but in that format it's just flat bad. The lighter 250 gr. at closer to 2000 is even worse!

that is one of the main things I like about the 429 GNR

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, June 09, 2021, 16:54 (1891 days ago) @ WB

You can load it up to do what the 454 will do but the recoil isn't as bad due to the load not being heavily compressed. Plus with a lighter weight bullet with less mass to be shoved up the barrel the fast twisting recoil is just not there. I am not a ballistician so it is hard to explain but there is noticeable difference in recoil.
I will have to say the 454 I borrowed from Michael Mendes to use on my Cape Buffalo a month or so ago didn't have the recoil I expected but it had a longer heavier barrel with a muzzle brake on it so that had to have something to do with it.

Shows how good your barrel brakes are

MTM
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Wednesday, June 09, 2021, 17:48 (1891 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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Yessir, and the recoil is *fast* compared to

John K.
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Wednesday, June 09, 2021, 11:40 (1892 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

A lot of other hard kicking cartridges that operate at lower pressures. The rise time of the recoil impulse is so quick it might whack you in the head before you know what to expect.

See you next week!

I am looking forward to it John!

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, June 09, 2021, 13:43 (1891 days ago) @ John K.

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YES WE WERE!! I SPENT THIS MORNING

JT
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Wednesday, June 09, 2021, 11:47 (1892 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

SHOOTING .44 RUSSIAN AND .45 S&W AND I AM MORE TIRED THEN I WAS SHOOTING THOSE .454s!

.454 Casull

TM
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Thursday, June 10, 2021, 15:02 (1890 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

While mine is not a Freedom Arms, it is a Ruger Toklat. The recoil is quite a handful, I won't say it is horrendous but it is definitely a handful. I have only shot Hornady 240 gr. XTP factory loads thru it so I imagine as I move to heavier loads the reoil will only get worse. Certainly not an afternoon plinking gun.

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