All the black powder chatter

Ray Shepard
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Friday, July 30, 2021, 17:38 (1838 days ago)

I picked up 2 BP revolvers a month or so ago and got out to the range today to shoot. This was my first time shooting BP and it was a blast! My wife and I both really enjoyed it.

I've got a Taylor/Pietta 1858 copy, 44cal, and a Traditions US Marshal (Navy copy), 36cal.

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Dang Ray! I apologize. I always thought you was a dude!

Jim Taylor
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Friday, July 30, 2021, 17:42 (1838 days ago) @ Ray Shepard

My Bad .. YOUR WIFE! Love that black smoke!

Jim Taylor
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Friday, July 30, 2021, 17:44 (1838 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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Hahaha you never know these days right...?

Ray Shepard
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Friday, July 30, 2021, 18:05 (1838 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

But yes that's my wife. She's got shoulders stronger than a lot of men from all her time doing horse pedicures.

What a great time though! I enjoy all kinds of shooting but really had a good time with the black powder.

QUESTION about wads vs lube? I just used wads because thats simply what I happened to buy and start with. What the advantage of lube?

It is really a fun new dimension to shooting

WB
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Friday, July 30, 2021, 19:20 (1838 days ago) @ Ray Shepard

Makes you slow down a bit and focus differently. It’s bound to help with other shooting habits.

I never used wads. Always used lube.

Jim Taylor
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Friday, July 30, 2021, 20:15 (1838 days ago) @ Ray Shepard

I am not a good one to ask.
Sorry.

JT or Waterboy can give you more information.

I USE BOTH TO HELP REDUCE FOULING

JT
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Friday, July 30, 2021, 20:27 (1838 days ago) @ Ray Shepard

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WHATEVER WORKS; WORKS

JT
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Friday, July 30, 2021, 20:36 (1838 days ago) @ JT

It comes down to whether...

AmBraCol
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Saturday, July 31, 2021, 06:57 (1838 days ago) @ Ray Shepard

you are wanting "full bore" charges, or are using reduced loads. A wad helps take up space under the ball if you're not using a full charge.

If you're using a full charge then you don't really have space under the ball for a wad. In which case the lube on top helps reduce fouling.

I was given a Traditions version of the 1860 Colt (made by Pietta) earlier this year, hadn't shot black powder revolver in years and never a copy of the originals, just my Ruger Old Army. Didn't have time to do any experimenting so went with a full charge of powder, a .454 round ball and some old Crisco that'd been in my BP kit for a decade or more. The thing about lubing on top of the ball instead of only lubing via a wad is that the blast of the shots moves that lube around (assuming pure Crisco) and keeps the fouling soft and the cylinder turning. I tried one cylinder full "battle field expedient" (no lube at all) and that nice, tight Pietta gave me fits in function. Had to knock it apart, lightly lube the cylinder pin, reassemble and the next load was lubed again - no more issues.

I've never tried the wads, they're on my list of "need to get a hold of" for future experimentation. I also need a smaller spout for my powder measure in order to try lighter loads.

But there's just something about a BP revolver. I had as much fun having Bobby Tyler's kids shoot it as I did shooting it myself. They'd never had the chance to try one before and thoroughly enjoyed it as well.

Another on the list of "gotta try" is using a stiffer lube than the Crisco. Some folks think that the lube is to prevent chain fires, but if you're getting a ring of lead when seating the balls, your chamber is sealed from the front. An ill fitting cap on the cone is more susceptible to flash over from an adjacent chamber. Watch a slow motion video of one of these sixguns being fired, you'd be amazed at where all the fire flows to and from.

I used to try to cram in as much powder as I could

Jim Taylor
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Saturday, July 31, 2021, 07:08 (1838 days ago) @ AmBraCol

to the point when seating the ball I sometimes had to cut part of the ball off 'cuz it was sticking out too far for the cylinder to rotate.

I did that on a brass-framed .36 replica quite a few times until one day when I fired it the barrel, cylinder and cylinder pin all went downrange.

HOW LARGE WAS THE GROUP OF THE THREE PARTS?

JT
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Saturday, July 31, 2021, 08:12 (1838 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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:) -- didn't make it to the target

Jim Taylor
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Saturday, July 31, 2021, 08:57 (1838 days ago) @ JT

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Cutting the tip off the ball...

AmBraCol
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Saturday, July 31, 2021, 10:22 (1838 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

reminded me that I REALLY need to either file down my powder measure spout or get a smaller one. :-D I've never had the pleasure of playing with the brass framed versions, but have heard (and read) some of the stories. The main problem with these old sixguns is that they're musty. You play with one and you get the impression that you musty get yourself another'n.

BUFFALO ARMS HAS ALL DIFFERENT SIZES. I

JT
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Saturday, July 31, 2021, 10:58 (1838 days ago) @ AmBraCol

MAKE SURE I HAVE SEVERAL EXAMPLES ON HAND OF EACH SIZE FROM 15-20-25-30-35-40-50

ON NEW COLTS BEFORE SHOOTING

JT
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Saturday, July 31, 2021, 10:04 (1838 days ago) @ AmBraCol

I REMOVE THE NIPPLES AND LUBE THE THREADS, LUBE THE ARBOR, AND THE TWO PINS IN FRONT OF THE FRAME ALL WITH ANTI-SEIZE LUBE. REALLY HELPS TO GET IT APART FOR CLEANING AFTER SHOOTING. ALSO RUN A BORE BUTTER PATCH DOWN THE BORE BEFORE SHOOTING.

Thanks all, I've learned a few things.

Ray Shepard
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Saturday, July 31, 2021, 14:49 (1837 days ago) @ AmBraCol

I almost feel like I'm working backwards, I started shooting with semi-auto & bolt rifles. I used to spend my money on the new wiz-bang tacticool stuff, but as life goes on I find myself buying older guns (or older patterns anyway) and I enjoy them more.

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