Federal's doing something VERY interesting

backroadsrambler
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Sunday, August 15, 2021, 16:07 (1822 days ago)

with their new .22LR Punch "Personal Defense Ammunition"! They're keeping it in stock at the factory where you can order it direct!! And you can checkout as a guest to boot... https://www.federalpremium.com/rimfire/personal-defense-punch-rimfire/11-PD22L1.html

Yes, we discussed this a week or two ago

WB
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Sunday, August 15, 2021, 19:00 (1822 days ago) @ backroadsrambler

I have been flat tipping ammo and hand drilling HP for about 40 yrs. Gary came out with his innovative little gauge tool that uniformly flat tips both .22 LR and Shorts (!) for the exact reason Federal just "discovered". However the concept is perfectly valid and should work wonderfully. Speer also had a SGB rimfire line about 10 yrs. ago that did the same thing.

like WB said that is old news and was talked about

gary reeder
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Sunday, August 15, 2021, 19:58 (1822 days ago) @ WB

on here a couple of weeks back. Besides it has already been done almost 7 years ago.

I am sure shooters have been doing this a long time.

Jim Taylor
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Sunday, August 15, 2021, 20:32 (1822 days ago) @ gary reeder

Growing up my Dad did it. He made little tools to do one cartridge at a time. In the 1960's he shot a lot of .22 Shorts ... they were cheap .. and he would flatnose them to make better rabbit killers.

Later Paco Kelly and Ed Wosika took his tool and made hardened steel copies of it and sold it as the Small Game Bullet. SGB. They sold them up into the 1990's. Ed Wosika took the idea to RCBS but they said they could not produce the tool since it had been marketed previously.

Not too long later CCI came out with their flat-tip nose .22 bullet called..... Yep .. the Small Game Bullet.

Gary's tool which he developed independently of what Dad and Paco and Ed did carries the idea a bit further and is a much nicer tool. What Federal is doing copying Gary is just what happens many times in the shooting world.

I personally would rather have one of Gary's tools than pay a company for their brand of it .. because I like to make my own! If other people don't, that's fine.

It would be nice if someone from Federal said, "Hey Gary. Great idea! We appreciate it." Even if it was just a private phone call. I know Dad and Paco and Ed did not begrudge CCI doing it. It would have been nice if they just got a nod from someone, but they did not expect. I doubt Gary does either.

Like I said, I am sure people were doing this many many years ago. The Good Book says "there is nothing new under the sun" ...what is done has been done.

The fact remains, on a less expansive bullet

WB
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Monday, August 16, 2021, 07:12 (1821 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

a flat nose meplat really helps with straight and true penetration. I'm told there is a point of diminishing returns, or full wadcutters would be all the rage. In fact I used to arm my wife with 148 gr. HBWC in her little carry 637. You could do worse.

Some friends who really think they know, tell me somewhere between 70-75% meplat, in relation to diameter, is about as far as you want to go to retain long range stability. Sounds good to me. But it seems any flat point, even if you carve it with a pocket knife on a bullet seems to help some. It begs, what does a full wadcutter do at extreme range?

I never had much luck getting them to extreme ranges ...

Jim Taylor
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Monday, August 16, 2021, 15:58 (1821 days ago) @ WB

in fact, the LBT WFN in the 454 was all over the place at 300 yards unless I pushed it past 1500 fps. Even then it was not as consistent as smaller meplat designs. At long ranges it is noticeably less accurate than the LFN bullet.

EXTREME RANGE

JT
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Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 06:23 (1820 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

USED TO BE 800 YARDS +; NOW CLOSER TO 25 YARDS

a full wadcutter at extreme range is a fairy tale. The full

gary reeder
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Monday, August 16, 2021, 23:06 (1821 days ago) @ WB

wadcutter has the ballistics of a brick. The flat nose is intended to be a self defense bullet at close range. Like the HBWC you mentioned. Many of the older crowd back years ago turned it around so the hollow base pointed toward the bad guy. It was said to do terrible things to the human body at close range out of a hot 38 special.

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