Few fast pics for Tebbeman
WB
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Monday, September 27, 2021, 15:33 (1777 days ago)
I knew better but I just wanted it. I plan to do some casual pleasure shooting only for my own satisfaction and the fun with my friends. I do think it is pretty.
N.Y. Shiloh Sharps J.P. Gemmer model in .45-70.
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Scotty, that's just INCREDIBLE!!! If you get tired of it....
Marco
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Monday, September 27, 2021, 16:09 (1777 days ago) @ WB
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Not much of a rifleman but,
Alcorn
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Monday, September 27, 2021, 16:30 (1777 days ago) @ Marco
that is beautiful!
Alcorn said it all...............
james
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Monday, September 27, 2021, 18:31 (1777 days ago) @ Alcorn
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Thank you all kindly. Sharing it with
WB
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Monday, September 27, 2021, 19:47 (1777 days ago) @ james
My brother enthusiasts is what it’s all about. We only hold things fir a short while.
Nice
Rw
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 07:10 (1776 days ago) @ WB
That would be fun to elk hunt with,if someone else carried it for you. But it is beautiful
It's heavy but it's not. I think the barrel is 30"
WB
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 08:31 (1776 days ago) @ Rw
I'll have to measure it and weigh it. My .338 Hunting rifle is knocking on 10 lbs. with a 2 lb. scope/mounts and the sling. (5) .338 cartridges weigh about 1/2 lb.!
I know it has to be close to 10 lbs. but it is very well balanced. That conceals a lot of the weight. It is not bulk since it's streamlined, that makes a difference too.
FYI - 10 lb. 1/2 oz. w/29” barrel. Balance point
WB
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 10:55 (1776 days ago) @ WB
Is a handhold in front of the rear sight. The lack of bulk and balance hide the actual weight. I’d die before I clubbed someone with it but to be honest I’m certain it’d be formidable used that way in the heat of battle.
I agree with Alcorn, beautiful.
Lymey
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 15:47 (1776 days ago) @ Alcorn
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Wowza!
ChrisG
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Monday, September 27, 2021, 16:22 (1777 days ago) @ WB
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That's really nice!
Derek
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Monday, September 27, 2021, 16:34 (1777 days ago) @ WB
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Gemmer
Tebbeman
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Monday, September 27, 2021, 18:51 (1777 days ago) @ WB
WB, if or when you get tired of it, just let me know as its on my bucket list. Thanks. KT
Is that a cartridge gun, the models I looked at
jthomson
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 17:18 (1776 days ago) @ WB
dont have the ramrod ??
It is a very limited model .45-70 ctg. gun.
WB
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 18:17 (1776 days ago) @ jthomson
There was a historic gunsmith named J.P. Gemmer who made Hawken style rifles of the very finest quality. He incorporated some of the same manufacturing techniques into the transition models of paper cartridge breach loading and finally ctg. guns. The dual wedge pin forestock retention, early style front sights, and ramrod, and even classic longrifle wood, are all typifying marks of the J.P. Gemmer model Sharps. This one even has "browned" furniture like a fine old flintlock would sport. I'm still learning about them myself.
Shiloh only made a very few. Obviously the unique features added to the trouble as they departed from the bread and butter Sharps models.
Yeah it looks like a transition model of sorts, very nice
jthomson
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 19:23 (1776 days ago) @ WB
thought and out to be a great shooter/collector.
Gemmer took over from Samuel Hawken in MO 1862-1915
WB
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 22:04 (1776 days ago) @ jthomson
(Speaking about sporterizing the surplus Civil War Spencers) - "Few shops tackled making a new buttstock because of the complexities of getting everything to fit together right--namely the lock, sling bar, triggerplate, magazine tube and buttplate all have to line up exactly. One shop was undaunted--the Hawken Shop, purchased from Sam Hawken by John Philip Gemmer in the 1860s. J.P. Gemmer, an able gunsmith in his own right, knew the frontloader's days were numbered and began to produce full-blown custom Spencers with the styling of the famed Hawken muzzleloader. (Gemmer soon added conversions of the more powerful Sharps and Trapdoor Springfield rifles, too, as the Spencer fell from favor.)"
Early 1900s vintage?
Jeff Spencer
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 20:04 (1776 days ago) @ WB
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This was made in the mid 1980's
WB
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Tuesday, September 28, 2021, 22:10 (1776 days ago) @ Jeff Spencer
Before Shiloh Sharps (NY) and C. Sharps moved and worked some together in MT. Now C. Sharps only had the rights to "Old Reliable" markings. Both make made to order "Sharps" rifles in customer specified configurations and options. I was told the Shiloh Sharps parts can work with originals. The action is a 1874 pattern from modern steels. I guess they have them forged someplace.