Gary, or anyone else.
TM
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Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 14:57 (1747 days ago)
Is there a point when adding velocity and bullet weight that you gain nothing more than muzzle blast and additional recoil and you are, or may be better off with a bullet traveling at moderate speeds to accomplish the same thing?
ABSOLUTELY! JOHN LINEBAUGH DISCUSSED
JT
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Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 15:16 (1747 days ago) @ TM
THIS DECADES AGO AND CAME UP WITH BIG BORE SIXGUN LOADS DO NOT NEED TO GO OVER 1200 FPS. MORE SPEED MAY FLATTEN TRAJECTORY BUT WE DON'T NEED TO SHOOT THAT FAR ANYWAY.
here is Hornady's new Handgun Hunter ammo
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 16:07 (1746 days ago) @ JT
just bought two boxes of Hornady`s new
james
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Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 18:55 (1746 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
ammo for my 460. I hope it arrives for next weeks North Carolina deer season. I`ve heard of impressive terminal performance with 200gr bullets from a 460 on whitetail....
James .. A round ball from that would be impressive on deer!
Jim Taylor
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Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 20:01 (1746 days ago) @ james
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I wonder what kind of speeds the 460 with a 200 grain bullet
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 11:01 (1746 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
puts out.
Personally ... I would run it about 1300 fps
Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 11:03 (1746 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
and enjoy it.
I meant the new Handgun Hunter ammo that
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 12:12 (1746 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
Hornady is putting out. In it the 460 S&W is shooting a 200 grain bullet. I was just wondering what the speeds are in this ammo.
460
Rex
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Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 12:19 (1746 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
It looks like the box says 2150 fps
In a "Test Barrel (8")"
mountainwanderer
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Thursday, October 28, 2021, 12:32 (1745 days ago) @ Rex
ooops ... sorry ..
Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 12:48 (1746 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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Unless it's a rifle tough bullet it must be devestating
WB
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Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 06:17 (1746 days ago) @ james
in the destruction of meat. Certainly it would cut a Coyote in half. If it was a soft .45 colt projectile it might not get to the target or blow up on the surface muscle tissue and not penetrate.
I know everyone knows there must be a balance.
In REVOLVERS there seems to be a performance balance of efficiency. Too light a bullet and it does not provide enough resistance to burn much of the powder. (4-5/8" w/very light bullet is a graphic example - with noted exceptions) Compared to a .44 wheelgun with a 325 gr. bullet in a 10-1/2", the other end of the spectrum. There is a reason the 240 gr. bullet is so popular. But it's a designed compromise. The handloader can exploit things to his special circumstances. You just have to analyze and find that direction.
In single shots they behave like rifles anyway. Another kettle of fish. The 7mm GNR with a 120 gr. bullet is literally a 7X57 pocket rifle. While the barrels are short compared to rifles one can simply manipulate the powder and bullet weight, to a smaller extent, and gain proportional performance.
It's apples and oranges. The fun is the technical manipulation to maximize performance to YOUR satisfaction, beyond anything you can obtain over the counter.
the bullet is much like the rifle bullets where they have
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 10:54 (1746 days ago) @ WB
the plastic (polymer) tip that on impact is driven down into the bullet causing it to expand. Steve Hornady is a smart man and has equally smart people working for him and I have yet to see one of his bullet designs that didn't work as advertised.
there is a point of diminishing returns that any
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 15:17 (1747 days ago) @ TM
handloader will hit from time to time. but that is when you keep adding more and more powder and get no more velocity. I prefer medium weight bullets for all my hunting, other than some dangerous game like African game. But for all else I like a medium weight bullet.
Steve Hornady has some special handgun ammo coming out that he is using lightweight to medium weight bullets in. These are cartridges up to 454 and bigger. In many of them like 44 mag, 45 long colt and 454 he uses 200 grain bullets traveling fast. That is pretty much how my handgun ammo is loaded, in most cases. My 41 GNR for years has been the best with the 170 grain bullet at hyper speeds. My 44 mag ammo for most game has been the 180 grain Sierra or the 220 grain JHP bullet. My 429 GNR in my personal revolver works best with a 200 to 240 grain bullet. My 510 GNR is another where I use moderate weight bullets. My gun for the African lion a few weeks ago was loaded with 350 grain bullets and in that caliber that is a light to medium weight bullet.
But it is all up to the person loading the ammo to find a spot where he gains nothing more other than a large muzzle blast or where he reaches optimum accuracy. Some folks love the heavy for caliber bullets. Some like heavy bullets at moderate speeds. It is all in what you are comfortable with and what your gun shoots the best with..
Gary, what would you consider
TM
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Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 15:21 (1746 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
"heavy for caliber" in .454?
just going by what I would normally shoot a
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, October 27, 2021, 17:43 (1745 days ago) @ TM
bullet around 400 would be heavy for caliber. I put a Cape Buffalo on the ground with one shot with a 300 grain JSP. So anything over 350 or 400 would be heavy for me.