Casting Melt Pots
~JM~
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 16:42 (1618 days ago)
I've been studying during my down time. The Lee Pro 4 20# pot seems to be well thought of. Must work well because it is sold out/back order status unless you want to pay a premium price on Amazon/eBay. The 220V versions are readily available.
I have one or two cast iron skillets with warped bottoms that I can use to melt for pouring ingots. I ordered a Lee ingot mold along with some sizing dies. I also have a Coleman camp stove. How well does a 2 burner Coleman & skillet perform?
Plan to hit some Goodwill/Salvation Army stores to look for spoons, ladles & a sifter scoop. Damned Covid is keeping me home surfing the 'net & watching YouTube videos on casting. Wide range of skills, equipment & safety protocols on display.
You need a heat of 600-700 deg. F
WB
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 17:00 (1618 days ago) @ ~JM~
Anything better than a buffalo chip fire is gravy. You might look into a inverter for the 220 to 120. it might be a trick if not cost prohibitive.
Thermometers?
~JM~
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 21:24 (1618 days ago) @ WB
Is a dedicated thermometer required?
Will one of the laser infrared thermometers work?
In 60 years of casting I have never used one.
Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 05:56 (1618 days ago) @ ~JM~
After awhile you know how hot you want the lead pot ... but I am sure one of the laser-type would work just fine.
I cast fast enough that I usually leave my Lyman 20 pound pot on high. I run two molds most of the time. When you get them hot it is easy to fill one and set it down letting the sprue set while you pick up the other and fill it then set it down and pick up the first, cut the sprue, dump the bullet or bullets, fill it, set it down and pick up the second and cut the sprue and dump it, then fill it and set it down ... In a short time you have two big piles of bullets ..
Drop Onto Cloth, Or Quench In Water?
~JM~
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 06:33 (1618 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
I believe I understand the theory on each technique. I suspect I will pursue powder coating vs. lube. Seems easier, plus my area experiences temperatures in single digits to 105 degrees throughout the year. Storage room temps are 40 to 95. Very dry climate.
Projectile speeds typically 1000fps. and will rarely exceed much over 1200fps.
I drop 'em on a folded-up towel ..
Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 06:36 (1618 days ago) @ ~JM~
I have done water quenching and I also did heat-treating when I was running the 454 pretty hot. But it's not needed with a decent alloy when shooting at standard velocities in the guns I am using now.
JIM'S METHOD WORKS FOR ME
JT
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 08:29 (1618 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
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I tried the water trick. Dropping hot bullets in a
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 17:01 (1617 days ago) @ JT
5 gallon bucket full of water. What a mess. There was water everywhere.
I cut foam rubber into small 2" x 2" peices ..
Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 17:41 (1617 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
floated them on the water in the bucket. Kept everything from splashing out .. mostly.
I’ve made thousands with a Lee bottom pour
MTM
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 17:02 (1618 days ago) @ ~JM~
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Found One!
~JM~
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 19:25 (1618 days ago) @ MTM
They were on back order status through Midway last night. Today there was a blemish model listed.
One Lee Pro 4-20 headed this way.
Think I have about 12# of scuba divers weights.
get you an old candle to use to flux the lead
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 15:38 (1617 days ago) @ ~JM~
you will need to flux the lead mixture to mix it up good. If not the heavier lead content will go to the bottom and the wheel weight or other mix will stay on top. Put about a marble size hunk in a 20 lb pot, mix it up and it will start smoking. Put a match to it and it will flame up. Mix it up until the fire goes out and you have it fluxed and ready to pour into your mold.
I cast bullet for many years using a skillet on the stove.
Jim Taylor
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 17:17 (1618 days ago) @ ~JM~
A Lyman lead dipper for pouring the lead into the molds. I lubed the bullets by standing them in a pan and pouring melted lube around them. When it set I cut them out using a Kake Cutter, then sized them with an Lyman drive through sizing die and a mallet. I loaded everything with a Lyman 310 Tool and later graduated to the old original Lee Loader. It was slow but I made good ammo.
I use a Coleman 2 burner stove to melt the lead down and make ingots. I also use a 1 burner electric but it's not as hot as the Coleman stove.
You can get started with very little. In Africa I melted the lead on a charcoal fire, dipped it out with a large spoon to cast 30 caliber round balls for the Wrist Rocket Sling shots. Here is one of the missionary kids casting 30 caliber round balls for her sling shot. She was deadly with it.
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Working With What You Have.
~JM~
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 19:22 (1618 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
I remember reading articles on using the kitchen stove top.
That set-up below looks very efficient. Not so sure about that young lady's safety gear though. LOL!
We worked with what we had ...
Jim Taylor
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 20:56 (1618 days ago) @ ~JM~
which wasn't much. She was very careful and never spilled any or burned herself or anyone else.
I Understand...
~JM~
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 21:21 (1618 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
I have no doubt you would have provided everything necessary. As it was, you provided knowledge.
STARTED WITH A CASRT IRON POT
JT
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Tuesday, March 01, 2022, 18:02 (1618 days ago) @ ~JM~
ON MY MOM'S STOVE. HAVE BEEN USING BOTTOM POUR 20# POTS BOTH LYMAN AND RCBS FOR DECADES. DON'T WANNA GO BACK.
cast pots
joepjs
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 18:18 (1617 days ago) @ ~JM~
I used plumber's pots and ladle and small stove. One item was a stove working on pumped up gasoline and a blowtorch.
several years ago at a gun show I traded a fellow
gary reeder
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 22:10 (1617 days ago) @ ~JM~
for some work on one of his guns for a Magma 90LB lead pot. It runs on 220 but that's OK. I use it to melt down the recovered bullets that we shoot every day in the shop. When I get a 5 gallon bucket of recovered bullets (about 250 lbs) I spend a few hours melting them down into ingots.
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The bullets are covered with sand from the big 55 gallon plastic drum filled with wet sand that we shoot into. I scoop a bunch of the bullets, lead, jackets and all into the big pot.
I put a hunk of wax into the pot for fluxing the mixture. As the wax begins to melt it starts to smoke. I stick a match to it and it flames up. I stir it and when the flame goes out or almost out it is fluxed and the pure lead mixture is covered with all the slag, empty jackets and dirt that floats to the top.
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I scoop all the slag, impurities and jackets off and the pure lead mixture is underneath and ready to cast into ingots.
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in an afternoon I can usually cast a couple of 5 gallon buckets of recovered bullets, usually 800 to 900 lbs. Cast into 1 lb, 3 lb and 5 lb ingots they are easier to store for later use. I have an RCBS 20LB pot that I can use for the 1 and 3lb ingots. The 5 lb ingots go under my bench in storage and when I need some lead they go back in the big pot for later use or to melt down into the smaller ingots..
a lot of ladies like these scented candles that come in
gary reeder
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 22:13 (1617 days ago) @ gary reeder
a big glass jar. When the wick burns out that usually leaves half an inch of candle wax left in the bottom. Save those and chip some of it out to flux the lead, plus it is scented and helps the stink of the melting lead.
Rusty Cast Iron Pot?
~JM~
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Thursday, March 03, 2022, 13:31 (1616 days ago) @ ~JM~
I have an old cast iron bean pot that looks like it was used as a humidifier on top of wood burning stove. The interior is covered with rust & I suspect calcium also.
How much effort should be made to clean the interior of the pot before smelting lead?