for those that are not familiar with the Keith #5

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 14:37 (1617 days ago)

and how it made it thru the years. This is the original Keith #5 from 1929 or so.
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The first one to come up with their version of the original was Bill Grover of Texas (as far as I know). From then on several custom gun guys came out with their version.
I received a Grover #5 this morning for some Ivory Max grips and thought a pic or two of it would be good for those not really familiar with the #5. The gun didn't come in with the cylinder (cheaper to ship that way). Anyway Grover's version was unusual in that it was a true right hand revolver. Old Sam Colt was a lefty and all revolvers since Colt were actually left hand revolvers. Grovers is a true right hand with the loading gate on the left side of the frame. That way you hold the gun in your right hand and load it with your left. The ejector rod housing is also on the left side of the gun to be worked with your left hand.
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Keith's gripframe was a bastardized gripframe that was part Colt Bisley and part Colt SAA. It was completely something different for that time in history. It was also a short gripframe as Keith was a little guy. I read somewhere that he wore size 4 cowboy boots. Whether that was true or not I have no idea but without his Stetson and his cigar he was a little guy, The original gripframe has been copied by several custom gun guys. Grovers was pretty much a perfect copy of the original. But it was short, a bit too short for someone with normal size hands.
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Probably the absolute finest that I know of was Hamilton Bowens version which I don't have a picture of unfortunately. Hamilton's version was supposedly an exact copy of Keith's original #5. And knowing Hamilton I am sure it was perfect in every way.

Somewhere around the year 1997 or 1998 we decided to come out with our version. We did change a few things. One being we added 3/8" to the length of the gripframe for those with average hands. We came out with 2 versions of the #5. The first had a small frame pretty much a copy of the original Colt SAA and the early old model Ruger Blackhawk. I obtained permission from Ruger to copy his early first generation old model and did so with the first version of our #5.
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That was where the first problem entered the story. Being a copy of the old model it didn't have a transfer bar safety. In the first few weeks of building the first version of the #5 my guys in the shop loaded the guns and handed them to me to do the test firing. During that time there were 2 or 3 accidental discharges. My guys were young, in their mid 20s and had never handled a revolver without a transfer bar safety. After the 3rd accidental firing in the shop I had to make a decision. Either drop the whole #5 series or come up with a new frame that has a transfer bar. I had put out about 30 of the first version of the #5 before it was dropped from production.
After about a year we came out with a new version of the #5 on our own frame that had a transfer bar. It wasn't a true version of the Keith #5 but it was solid and safe. That is the version of the #5 we are still building today. We also build it in our deluxe Black Chromex and in stainless steel. We also build it on the customer's Ruger Blackhawk.
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We actually had another version. The original Keith #5 was chambered in 44 Special. Our 2 versions were chambered in anything up to 45 Long Colt. I had had folks asking for a #5 in 454, 475 Linebaugh, our 510 GNR and so on. So I decided to put out a whole new series we were to call the #6. I figured if Keith were alive today he would be shooting something much bigger than the 44 Special or 45 Long Colt. This was our ad in several gun magazines about the #6.
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Both the #5 and the #6 are still being built today and still popular.
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and if any of my notes are wrong I hope John Taffin will

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 14:51 (1617 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

correct them as most are from a fuzzy memory.

GREAT PICTURES!! BILL ALSO

JT
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 16:19 (1617 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

MADE "RIGHT-HANDED" WEST TEXAS FLAT-TOP TARGET AND SOUTH TEXAS ARMY:

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MORE INCLUDING KEITH'S #5 AND

JT
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 16:30 (1617 days ago) @ JT

BILL AND JOHN WOOTTERS

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the stainless #5 in the second pic is one that

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 16:56 (1617 days ago) @ JT

Diamond Dot threatened to kill me if I didn't get it finished and to John for his birthday. I think I was 5 or 6 months late getting it finished. For a good while there I was afraid to walk in front of a lighted window at night. I checked under the car each morning for something that had sticks of dynamite attached to it.

Pics

Okie
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 17:57 (1617 days ago) @ JT

Those are some great pictures, I've never even held a Bill Grover revolver but I've always wanted one.

Pair of #6

Steve
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 16:38 (1617 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Bill Grover's prototype Number Five

Steve W
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Wednesday, March 02, 2022, 20:17 (1617 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Years ago, while researching for a reference book on Texas Longhorn Arms, I got to photograph K1, the prototype of the TLA Number Five. A few years after that, I was able to purchase it.

While the #5 grip frame is a bit on the short side for many folks, the TLA version is even shorter due to one person working on it shortening the frontstrap a bit to make it the proper length, then another person shortening it again, not realizing it had already been done. The names of the two now escape me, but they are in my notes somewhere. At least, that was the story I was told.

Someday, I will finish the book on TLA....


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Steve W... still waiting for your book...

james
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Thursday, March 03, 2022, 03:40 (1617 days ago) @ Steve W

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Thank you for your patience!

Steve W
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Thursday, March 03, 2022, 10:35 (1617 days ago) @ james

Life has taken some unexpected turns since I set out on that path back in 2009/2010. I need to just buckle down and get it done. Seems there is always 30 hours of stuff to do each 24 hour day.

#5 TLA

Tebbeman
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Thursday, March 03, 2022, 05:38 (1617 days ago) @ Steve W

Steve I own a TLA #5 in 44 mag that is wonderful and unusual. It has a bird head grip and mesquite grips and I’ve not seen another like it. I did find a pic of Bill on a hunt holding what looks to be this revolver. No matter what the history, it’s a fantastic piece and I’m proud to own it. Kt

BH #5

JT
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Thursday, March 03, 2022, 06:40 (1617 days ago) @ Tebbeman

I THINK that one has express sights

Steve W
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Thursday, March 03, 2022, 10:34 (1617 days ago) @ JT

If I remember the story behind that hunt correctly.

I was about 10 feet from Bill when he shot that buck

james
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Friday, March 04, 2022, 09:30 (1616 days ago) @ JT

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He did make some #5 style revolvers like that

Steve W
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Thursday, March 03, 2022, 10:33 (1617 days ago) @ Tebbeman

In a couple different configurations. I've seen them with express rear sights and standard rear sights. With barrel band and without. I'd be interesting in seeing pics and getting some info on yours if you don't mind contributing to the book research. Drop me a line at

steve@catawbacollectibles.com

Thank you!

Grips

Okie
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Thursday, March 03, 2022, 13:34 (1616 days ago) @ Tebbeman

Just seen a pair of grips on ebay for a no.5 I don't know if there factory grips or not.

when we were building the original #5 I had several

Gary Reeder
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Friday, March 04, 2022, 15:51 (1615 days ago) @ Tebbeman

folks ask me to put our Tombstone Classic birdshead gripframe on them. I told them the #5 gripframe was what made it unusual and what made it a #5 but they wanted the Tombstone gripframe, so we did it for them. After all it was a custom gun and built to the customer's specs.

Mighty good looking guns!

Derek
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Thursday, March 03, 2022, 05:22 (1617 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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