ever hear of the 4.6X30? It's coming.
gary reeder
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Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 22:39 (1590 days ago)
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Seems NATO testing says the 5.7 is better
Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 06:29 (1589 days ago) @ gary reeder
though why they want to go to such small calibers is beyond me. A .22 ... then a .20 .. now .18? Oh .. wait. Recoil management! The .20 caliber kicked too hard!
Yep
IC
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Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 12:26 (1589 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
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4.6
joepjs
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Thursday, March 31, 2022, 06:35 (1588 days ago) @ IC
Yet when it comes to the SAW, a machine gun, they go for the 7.62 or .30
Why not just go to the 2.7mm Kolibri?
Ronnie P
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Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 12:11 (1589 days ago) @ gary reeder
Imagine how much ammo a soldier could carry
Probably unawares you actually gave me some empty brass!
WB
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Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 12:27 (1589 days ago) @ gary reeder
in a jar with some odd stuff and bullets. There were some 5.7x28 cases mixed in. I think it's basically a .17 cal. HK round for their sub-machine guns. It offers vicious icepick penetration with zero recoil for controllability by women, men who identify as women, and minimally trained people.
Performance is about like the .17 HMR rimfire but with a much stronger constructed projectile. The guns are typically blow back or retarded blow back for simplicity. Very high rates of fire too.
But you already knew all that...
Looking at the picture in a dealer's magazine I
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 13:09 (1589 days ago) @ WB
thought the cartridge looked familiar. Useless but familiar.
Useless is right... it may perform okay under
Ray Shepard
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Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 13:39 (1589 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
specific circumstances, but change a few variables and it goes to crap. I jokingly refer to the MP7 as a "less-lethal" firearm.
Some police department SWAT guys carry the H&K MP7 chambered in the 4.6 to use in confined spaces but I'd rather have a 9mm or 223 or almost anything else. I know of a situation where a bad guy got shot 5-6 times with a 4.6 and he stayed alive for another hour or so until he popped back out again shooting. Another incident so SWAT guys exchanged gunfire with a guy through drywall and the 4.6 was very ineffective whereas the bandit was using a 7.62 which had some devastating effects.
Ray is law enforcement and knows what he is
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 13:47 (1589 days ago) @ Ray Shepard
talking about.
the 4.6X30 has been around for a while but mainly
Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 13:44 (1589 days ago) @ gary reeder
for law enforcement. Now they are venturing toward the average gun guy with a lot of money to burn.