9 em em Tests

Jim Taylor
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Monday, April 11, 2022, 10:47 (1281 days ago)

Using a Berry's Double Plated 124 gr. Round Nose bullet .. I made a tool to flat-nose them.
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Loaded them over 5.8 gr. Unique and Small Pistol Primer
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I fire an UNMODIFIED one into a bucket of sand.
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It did not lose any weight .. penetrated about a foot into the sand.

Then I fired a MODIFIED one into the sand.
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It did not lose any weight either.

So I decided to flat-nose the 125 gr. Bear Creek Supply bullet and shoot it into the sand.
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An UNMODIFIED bullet was fired into the sand.
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Then a MODIFIED bullet was fired.
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The Bear Creek bullets did not lose any weight either.

This test does not have anything to do with how the bullets would perform in flesh. But if you are gonna shoot some sand, I have good data!

As long as that FN clears the ramp, I'm all in.

WB
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Monday, April 11, 2022, 13:40 (1281 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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Me too! Hey Mr Taylor,

steve todd
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Monday, April 11, 2022, 13:55 (1281 days ago) @ WB

Can you give some details of your fixture? WaterBoy’s hollow point tool using a center drill to hollowpoint is a good one too

didn't a gun writer design a hollow point tool

James Pedigo
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Monday, April 11, 2022, 14:02 (1281 days ago) @ steve todd

a few years ago. I remember seeing a picture of one.

I do remember that

steve todd
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Monday, April 11, 2022, 14:15 (1281 days ago) @ James Pedigo

I believe it was called a “hollow pointer” or “hollow point tool”…….something like that.
The “Flatnoser” that Jim made is a great idea, but probably takes a file to knock the tip off (a vertical mill would be nice, or a lathe with a collet chuck).

In Ark. it's illegal to hunt with FMJ ammo

WB
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Monday, April 11, 2022, 14:28 (1281 days ago) @ steve todd

as it should be.

When all the SKS rifles and such came out in the 1980's that was all you could get to shoot for them. There was a bunch of .303, .308, 6.5mm ammo all FMJ too. Proper Hillbillies figured out that you only had to file a little bit of the tip off to expose a lead core at the end. This minor mod transformed your illegal FMJ ammo into irrefutable proper soft tip hunting bullets! Lots of deer and I know of ONE African male Lion that fell to some of that SKS 7.62x39 ammo. (it's a long story)

People been doing that for many years

Jim Taylor
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Monday, April 11, 2022, 14:48 (1281 days ago) @ WB

Robert Smythe wrote about folks doing that after WWI.

Al Goerg designed the first bullet hollow pointer

Gary Reeder
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Monday, April 11, 2022, 14:47 (1281 days ago) @ James Pedigo

That was back in the early 60's. He was a well known handgun hunter, and although he wrote a couple of books on handgun hunting he wasn't a gun writer. I read somewhere that after Goerg died in a plane crash in Alaska in 1965 L.E. Wilson started building them on Goerg's design and was sued. Later on Forster started making them and sold them as a kit. The Wilson part was second hand knowledge so consider it so. But Goerg was the first to do so.
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It's just part of an old die set for making gas checks...

Jim Taylor
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Monday, April 11, 2022, 14:47 (1281 days ago) @ steve todd

for 38/357 caliber bullets. I don't have the rest of it and gave up making gas checks years ago. The 9mm bullets drop in with a nice fit. I made a plug to go into the bottom of the die and using "try and see if it fits" ground it to the proper length.

That`s an eye opener......

james
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Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 12:30 (1280 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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