Lubing Jacketed Bullets

Jim Taylor
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Saturday, June 11, 2022, 08:32 (1516 days ago)

All bullets need lubrication, some more than others. I know it is commonly taken that jacketed bullets do not need lube. If that were the case however we would not use oil in the bearings on our cars. Fire a few thousand jacketed bullets through your barrel and watch it turn copper-colored in the rifling and then tell me jacketed bullets don't need lube. They do, however, need it far less than lead bullets.

A few years ago I ran a test - lubricating jacketed bullets. I did this after I pulled some early Winchester .45 Colt Silver Tip bullets and found that they had lube in a grease groove in the jacket!! Hmm....does Winchester know something I don't I wondered? So I gave it try.

TEST 1 - fired in a Ruger .45 Colt Blackhawk 7 1/2" - using WW cases with CCI LP primers - 22 gr. H-110 and the Speer 300 gr. PSP bullet. The bullet was seated out of the case as far as possible, crimping into the bottom crimp groove.

NO LUBE

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Average of all shots - 944 fps

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LUBED WITH LEE LIQUID ALOX - ALLOWED TO DRY 24 HRS. BEFORE FIRING

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Average of all shots - 1046 fps


Next I fired the 7 1/2" .454 Casull with the same bullet loaded over 30 gr. H-110, using CCI #400 Small Rifle Primers.

NO LUBE - average velocity 1698 fps

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LUBED WITH LEE LIQUID ALOX (dried 24 hrs. before loading and firing) - average velocity 1775 fps

FIRED FOR ACCURACY AT 25 YARDS FROM A REST

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What did it prove? Bullets going down a bore have friction. Something we all know. Often we do not think about jacketed bullets and barrel friction though. BUT .. while this test is too small to really prove anything, it does indicate that some lube on jacketed bullets MIGHT be a help. Maybe. It would take a lot more testing to really prove this one way or the other. I never got around to doing it because for the most part, I am happy with the way unlubed jacketed bullets work ... at least the majority of the time.

My mind goes back to the 'Moly' coated bullet craze

JS
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Saturday, June 11, 2022, 10:28 (1516 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

... of about 20 years ago. Don't remember why it died out. Did it 'build up' in the wrong places and cause problems?

it built up in the neck recess of rifle cartridges in

Gary Reeder
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Saturday, June 11, 2022, 12:57 (1515 days ago) @ JS

the area at he top of the shoulder going into the neck. That little area got clogged up with the moly and gave all kinds of problems, the least of which caused the cartridges not to chamber. There were some other problems but I don't remember them.

Unexplained Flyers was another

steve todd
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Saturday, June 11, 2022, 22:40 (1515 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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yep, forgot about that.

gary reeder
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Sunday, June 12, 2022, 12:01 (1515 days ago) @ steve todd

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I SHOT SOME MOLIES THIS PAST WEEK

JT
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Sunday, June 12, 2022, 12:26 (1515 days ago) @ JS

IN BLACK POWDER SIXGUN CARTRIDGES--PERFORMED WELL.

I have some old ElDorado (PMC) primers

WB
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Sunday, June 12, 2022, 12:49 (1514 days ago) @ JT

, heavy-metal-free, in Large Pistol, that all go bang but will not reliably ignite smokless powder. Very confounding. No matter what I tried, Unique, Bullseye, Herco, etc. I'm wondering how Pyrodex would manage, I have several pounds. I guess all I need is my wonderment and loading to be together at the same time, with a .45 range rod close by, just in case. My .45-70 would by my most fun testbed.

have you tried trail boss wth those

carl hackney
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Monday, June 13, 2022, 14:36 (1513 days ago) @ WB

primers? i had a brick of the same primers except they were small pistol.i was using them for my38spl cowboy loads 4g trail boss with a 150 lrn and they worked fine. tried them with aa#&aa#5 and had ignition issues.

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