Freedom Arms .475 and Whitetail Deer

Jim Taylor
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 07:12 (1371 days ago)

Back some years ago at the Shootists Holiday Bob and Wayne Baker brought a truckload of Freedom Arms guns and let us play with them. They were various calibers and among them was their .475 outfitted with a scope. Now I personally have not cared much for scopes on a sixgun but since this was a fivegun I did give it a workout, especially on long distance rocks.

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Somehow I ended up with it or one like it for Deer Season later in the year. I don't remember how it all worked out. I may have borrowed it and kept it for 4 months or so. I know I tried a lot of different handloads in it and settled on LBT's 325 gr. WFN bullet for hunting. With the lighter bullet and the weight of the scope the gun did not recoil as fast as with the heavier bullets. Plus the 325 gr. bullet was really accurate in that gun!

Deer Season found me with my hunting partner Mike on a nice large wooded section of land in Missouri. Mike was using a Rossi .357 Magnum levergun with 140 gr. JHP ammo and I was carrying the FA .475 with the 325 gr. ammo.

We worked our way slowly through the woods, keeping about 50 yards apart. At one point I was lower than Mike, working down a small draw that led into a little creek running through the small valley. I saw Mike raise up his rifle and at the same time I heard deer running ahead of us. They broke out of cover running across the small valley and started up the hill on the far side. I heard Mike's gunshot and saw one of the deer kick and then run for cover. I moved on down into the valley and started up toward the hill the deer had gone up when 3 does stopped on top of the hill about 40 or 50 yards in front of me. I put the crosshairs on the nearest one and fired. As the pistol recoiled I saw the deer make a huge leap forward .. then it was out of sight.

I worked my way up the hill and saw on my left a nice buck laying in the leaves. It was the deer Mike had shot. Continuing on up the hill I came to the top where the deer had been standing and looked around. About 15 feet from where I was standing the doe lay, half buried in the deep leaves.

The shot was uphill and had broken the left front leg, angled up through the chest cavity and exited the point of her right shoulder. The exit wound was massive.

Here she is in the truck after I drug her out of the woods.
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After skinning her.
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You could lay a golf ball in the exit wound! Internal damage was massive.

I don't know where the photo of Mike's buck is anymore. The 140 gr. JHP from the rifle did an excellent job.

Some time later I sent the .475 back to Freedom Arms. I know I wrote a few articles on it ... at least one for the old Gun Week publication I wrote for .. and I think for JD's Sixgunner. It was a beautiful gun and very accurate .. like Freedom produces. The thing that stuck in my head was the massive wound that flat bullet produced.

I just always know my day

Mark Conner
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 08:19 (1371 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

is going to be good when I can start it with some of your writings. Thanks Jim.

My little bit (very little) of experience with a LBT WFN has also been very good.

Good stuff! I have heard the theory and I guess largely

WB
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 09:12 (1371 days ago) @ Mark Conner

that it is mostly true. The flat point changes the dynamics in relation to the diameter and imparts energy so suddenly, over a larger area, related to the size, that material simply gets out of the way and makes a path for the projectile to more straightly travel. A smaller tip, flat or no, not sufficiently sized, does not. So that situation the projectile is more likely to deflect when tougher material is encountered. I have seen pointy bullets do strange things. Long nosed cast rifle bullets seem to tumble wildly unless hollow pointed to blow the nose then end up with a wadcutter base to continue on. A sideways bullet does not go straight nor usually as deep.

The pound sand effect is that in reverse. Your fist will not travel far in sand no matter how hard you hit. But a smaller finger poked slowly will penetrate. it's energy transfer.

Shooting bars of soap with Gary's flat tipping tool on rimfires is very interesting. Simply making a flat point will blow a larger hole in the medium. Up to the point of a full wadcutter making the most energy transfer. BUT there is a point, a ratio of flat tip to diameter and weight. The tip can be too large suffering long range accuracy and actual deep penetration as well. I've read some experts saying that the ratio is somewhere around 70% of diameter for optimal performing "flat tip". But if you are only shooting short range and thinner critters, the flatter the better? I prefer a bit more versatility myself.

We did some really good work on critters with the .475 LB in both revolvers and single shot handguns. All with flat tipped cast bullets in the 325-400 gr. range. We agreed in the end that the 325-355 gr. weight was our favorite.

The 475 sure puts `em down......

james
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 10:05 (1371 days ago) @ WB

NICE!!

Jim Taylor
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 10:10 (1371 days ago) @ james

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Getting a "nice" from Jim Taylor guarantee`s

james
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 10:24 (1371 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

an all day smile on my face....:-D

Very nice James.

Mark Conner
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 13:09 (1371 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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I have that same gun at Garys now

MTM
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 08:55 (1371 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

Getting worked on as one of my new hunting revolvers ( with a scope) and a custom Reeder “Black Widow” in 475 as my belt gun.

On the way back to you right now

Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 17:15 (1371 days ago) @ MTM

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Can’t wait to play with it! Thank you

MTM
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Tuesday, November 01, 2022, 17:17 (1371 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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