Gave in to another ugly, soulless G-gun, again.

WB
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 08:03 (1329 days ago)

Since I have such a wonderful selection of fine revolvers in all flavors, due in large to Gary, it's difficult to find another, on a budget, to blow air up my skirt. After several misses on nice .44 Specials that soared out of reach at the last minute (to more zealous enthusiast's), I gave up for a while. As said, I have plenty anyway.

I bought a SIG 320 X-Carry a while back, to play with since I've had lots of Glocks, Walthers, and Beretta's etc., for a big carry autoloader. It's new and a little fun, interesting. I've tinkered with the frame modules. Soon I'll add an optic (they cost almost as much as the gun). It has not truly scratched my itch. But at least it's not a Glock!

In the meantime I went totally 180 deg. and ordered a Cop trade-in G23 Gen-4 with night sights and a sack of extra mags. Roman is shaking his head in bewilderment, why not just a G19. Dad has to do his thing. A G23 can easily be converted to a 9mm with only a barrel change (really a dedicated mag is good too). Ditto a .357 SIG if I felt the desire (uses the .40 mags). I also see barrel and spring kits for cheap to tinker with the .22 TCM on the platform, less than $150. Of course the aftermarket is rife with all sorts of goo-gaws too. So I feel vindicated blowing my wheelgun (deposit) on a broken-in Glock. Irv gave me a really nice book on the Glocks a while back, I knew I should have put it back in the bookcase.

We don't talk about them much, but several of US have them, the G-guns. Almost a different classification is needed, they are seen more as tools. NO denying they function magnificently as designed. The Dewalt of the gun world. I find this makes three, to go with the carry G30s and G21 platform I have tinkered and abused to my delight. The middle child G19 platform is a Goldilocks rig. I bet YOU have one too!?

No .... I do not.

Jim Taylor
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 08:22 (1329 days ago) @ WB

It would not surprise me if you had never shot one!

WB
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 08:41 (1329 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

lol. A man that would tempt carrying a 1962 Colt .36! You are a special cherished breed of another age. I can only attempt to mimic, and I do, a bunch. I am bent in mind where in the same week I can purchase a Glock and a Cap & ball or maybe even flintlock! Flinter! We might have to toy with that at next Shooter's outing.

*I've never even sat on a "Jet-ski". Odd as I about have a warehouse full of motorcycles, and a boat as well. My wife played on one a while back and told me I NEVER needed to ride one. I knew exactly what she meant and I listened. Saved me a lot of money I figure. lol

I have shot a couple. Did not like them. Trigger felt awful.

Jim Taylor
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 09:10 (1329 days ago) @ WB

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Unless I stay practiced I pull left with them

WB
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 09:29 (1329 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

I do it consistently though. Pretty good trigger once you get used to it. But I tend to flinch left. I specifically ordered the SIG 320 with the X-trigger designed to limit this tendency (seems I’m not completely a minority). But guess what…. It all me!

Best Glock I ever had was a fat frame G20 10mm with a bunch of Zev internals including the complete trigger assy. Sold to another Misfit. It was HUGE and held 15+3 rounds! I didn’t flinch with it at the time. My G21 has a hand stoned custom trigger-bar set to stop just a bit past let off. It helps too.

WB I too have the pull left syndrome

Grover Sr
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 10:44 (1329 days ago) @ WB

MyG19 has the ZEV 3.5 and it’s much better. My G20 trigger is stock but feels smoother than the original G19 did. I put Big Dot tritium sights amen my G20 and picked up a 6” bbl for it. Makes a decent adequately powered field carry rig. At 25 yards I can easily keep shots in the mid third center mass on a man size silhouette. I am going add big dots dots to my43x and 48 mos.

Glocks

Mark Wilson
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 18:47 (1329 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

I have 5 or six Glocks acquired over the years and was never overly impressed with them. And as Jim says the trigger were terrible. The last one I bought was One of Kase's personal guns and is the best shooting Glock I have ever fired.

The trigger while not 1911 quality is the best Glock I have ever shot and is actually a pleasure to shot.

It’s really easy to improve Glock

Grover Sr
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 19:03 (1329 days ago) @ Mark Wilson

Trigger pull and make them easier to shoot. Go to the Glockstore online to find better and smoother than factory connectors and trigger assemblies. For me, just putting in ZEV connector upgrades make all the difference. I don’t go with adjustable fulcrum kits as they offer more to go wrong. I attended the Glock armorer’s course a couple years ago. The general consensus among the instructors who were all big time competitors was trick out your competition Gun as much as you want but do nothing more than the connector for a carry gun to maximize reliability. I figured they know more than me so that’s the advice I follow.

You're mind is bent and I don't have a Glock either.

IC
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 12:30 (1329 days ago) @ WB

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I think your prejudice is one notch south of Jim

WB
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 14:02 (1329 days ago) @ IC

But I like your willingness to see for yourself. I struggle to make the transition from liking a machine to the reality that this may be all that saves my life. Will it perform, can I? You have some experience in that area, I hope I never do.

I believe a person

IC
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Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 07:43 (1328 days ago) @ WB

shoots best with a gun that they like and have confidence in. The Glock just isn't the gun for me. Obviously, many people do like them and that is fine.

That's it! Personal Confidence. Simple but missed often.

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 09:30 (1328 days ago) @ IC

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Nope…not me either, just a 43. I’m good.

drdougrx
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Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 05:47 (1328 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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It’s awful, every now and then I

Grover Sr
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Tuesday, December 13, 2022, 10:01 (1329 days ago) @ WB

Think about ditching my Glocks for 1911’s in 9 mm. Then I picked up a 43x that makes a dandy light easy to hide CCW for me that bumped my Kimber Micro 9 to the gun safe. Last month I ran across a G 48 mos on sale I now plan to get an optic for and carry in a shoulder holster under a vest. Figuring the green dot is gonna be a lot easier for my old eyes than open sights . I still have an overwhelming urge to carry my S&W 4” Combat Magnum or my old surplus WW2 1911.

Not-a-glock

Matt L.
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Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 09:34 (1328 days ago) @ WB

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I just finished assembly of this glockish pistol made primarily from AIM surplus, Stike Industries, and SCT parts. The trigger is definitely better than a factory Glock, but not so light that it could be an issue. Next step is a red dot. Probably going to go with a Primary Arms or Swamp Fox optic to start.

That’s highly interesting. Looks fun.

WB
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Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 11:15 (1328 days ago) @ Matt L.

I like tinkering. I bet it will perform very well too. I played with the Glock 3.5# springs but it made the trigger mushy after take up. Normally I use the standard 5.5# spring so I feel it stop.

I used AIM's lower parts kit along with

Matt L.
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Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 19:55 (1328 days ago) @ WB

Their trigger kit and it has a much more crisp feel to it along with a super short reset. I'd guess it to be around 5.5lbs of pull. I ran it the other day without the comp and it really performed well. Zero issues of any kind and fantastic grouping. I'm hoping this mass driver comp isn't just a gimmick and makes a difference in shootability!

You may or may not remember my tinkering with

WB
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Thursday, December 15, 2022, 07:54 (1327 days ago) @ Matt L.

the .45 Super Duper loads. Blake was going .45 Super on the 1911 platform with jacketed bullets so I went totally a different way. I modded a Glock 21 and used cast gas checked slugs. They are slicker and go just as fast with less pressure.

It was a bad idea but I scoped a G21 and shot 200 gr. at 1400 fps. Due to the very heavy 26# spring, lock up was very consistent. Accuracy was shocking! Ragged hole groups at 35 yds. The frame was flexing but snapping right back. I got rub marks on top of the slide where the mount was rubbing under recoil.

Now it had very intensive and sort of experimental modifications such as special long free-bore throating, the heaviest recoil spring, and a special chambered muzzle brake. The high performance would obviously come at a price of much greater wear too. For a dedicated hunting pistol that was not as big a deal, shooting a few hundred rounds rather than thousands.

The bottom was stock other than a hand stoned trigger bar with minimal but reliable overtravel. But other than bending the scope mounting through pin it was astonishingly accurate and powerful!

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That is quite the setup!

Matt L.
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Thursday, December 15, 2022, 10:40 (1327 days ago) @ WB

I don't remember you posting about it. Must have been during my time away from guns and hunting. That is easily the hottest setup I've seen done with a Glock. Have you shot the .50GI or 460 Rowland in a similar setup before? I'm curious how they would compare. The .50GI seems like it would be a fairly low pressure round, but the 460 might be similar to the 45 Super Duper loads. Seems like I remember Gary having some issues with the Rowland creator and his demands for royalties to use his clambering.

Yes I reamed my custom barrel to fit the longer case

WB
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Thursday, December 15, 2022, 13:23 (1327 days ago) @ Matt L.

Blake's 1911 had trouble with it as the OAL is the same as ACP but the ojive sometimes made the case mouth hang on the feed ramp. The Glock is more generous in the magazine length so it feeds about anything. The longer chamber also feeds ACP fine as the sloppier tolerances of the Glock (loose for function like AK) hooks the case and headspaces off the extractor! The .45 extractor even works with my 9mm Luger barrel.

I accidentally throated the chamber too much! Sort of leaned on the reamer. lol. But my barrel basically allows the 200 gr. almost to clear the case before it engages rifling and begins higher pressure. I'd love to see some real engineers print a pressure curve on that. Weatherby's do the same but maybe not so drastic. Like I said it was a bit of an accident. On slow-mo video you can tell the frame flexes some, absorbing recoil. I got 1300 fps with a 230 gr. too, using slower powder.

I miss-measured the barrel and brake interface and got a little to long barrel (by about 1/2") for a streamlined look but it's freaky like me. Boy what a blaster. I also use a 6" G20 barrel for 10mm. Again shooting cast gas checked bullets sized .401 for the conventional aftermarket barrels. I got the same speeds, 1400 for a 200, 1300 for a 230. I'd not want to shoot them all day, but that's my max. Lowered 100 fps is about right to be extra safe.

It's been real fun with the G21 and I plan to sort of do the same with this G23. The .22 TCM looks fun. However I'm already ordering a threaded G19 barrel to use.

The 200 gr. target bullet was treated to a "plain base gas check" from Sage's Reloading. I had to seat the checks by pushing backward through the sizer.
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Too cool. That's my kind of experimentation!

Matt L.
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Thursday, December 15, 2022, 17:04 (1327 days ago) @ WB

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