Getting some questions about the new 360 Buckhammer. Well,

Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, January 03, 2023, 13:46 (1308 days ago)

first off Remington already has a shotgun slug round by that same name. Next there are several other cartridges out there that will beat it in a lever gun. Our 355 GNR will beat it by 300 fps and our ballistics were shot in a handgun whereas the ballistics they give us for the 360 Buckhammer were all taken in a rifle. So what do we gain?
Also at 1.8" it won't fit in a standard revolver. Our stretch frame will handle it with no problems, but who would really want a revolver in the 360 when there are a bunch of other cartridges that will also fit in that gun that are better cartridges. And bragging that it will beat the 350 Legend. That is sure not something I would brag about. The 350 Legend is existing on lots of BS the gun writers have shoved down the young inexperienced reader's throats about the 350 Legend being a long range cartridge for big game.

Just looks like Remington is working hard to get their name in the press. And as hard up the new folks that bought out the Remington name and such are, it seems silly to spend a lot of money experimenting on something the public may not give a rats ass about. Just my humble opinion.

In my opinion, Remington is trying to cash in

John W
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Wednesday, January 04, 2023, 03:53 (1307 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

on a niche market. There are states such as Delaware,Michigan,Indiana, Ohio and parts of Pennsylvania which require hunters going after deer to be restricted to shotguns, muzzleloaders or straight wall case rifle and handgun cartridges. I did a quick check and they all seem to limit the case length to 1.8 inches.

In fact, our local state senator is trying to get straight wall case rifles legal for deer in Massachusetts. So, I can understand why Remington and possibly Henry will gamble on this.

I agree with a lot of hype. But there is a whole generation

WB
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Thursday, January 05, 2023, 08:53 (1306 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

completely ignorant of the effectiveness of a large bullet going a moderate velocity. It's not a long range barn-burner but if you can hit with a looping trajectory it is remarkably effective compared to hyper velocity rounds.

I'll never forget at HHC the fellow's face when he had emptied his .30-378 Wby. on a medium sized Elk and it was still running around! A final shot using a borrowed .308 Winchester put it down for the count with a well placed, unflinching, shot.

The .350 Legend was produced for straight walled restricted hunting in specific states. It's not bad to 200 yds., it beats the .35 Remington a little bit. These young shooters are discovering the effectiveness of the 117 yr. old cartridge's bullet performance, and acting like it's a new find.

360 buckhammer

41
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Thursday, January 05, 2023, 14:04 (1306 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

This cartridge is about equal to the 350 legend in velocity.
However, it is based off of the 30-30 case so it can be used in a lever action.
If one could use any centerfire rifle, neither of these would be high on my list.
I grew up hunting in a part of pennsylvania that required the use of shotgun slugs for deer. For me a 12 gauge slug is no fun to shoot, it kicks on both ends. So I could see why these rounds will be popular in the areas that have cartridge restrictions.

The length requirements are goofy.

WB
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Friday, January 06, 2023, 09:28 (1305 days ago) @ 41

It knocks out some really great old cartridges like the .38-55, .375 Win., .444, .45-70. They exceed the listed OAL criteria by a couple tenths of an inch.

I'd love to get some of this new brass to see the case wall thickness at the mouth. The .30-30 cases have a very wide range that can cause wildcatters great strife. (we won't even talk about the thickness of the rims!) On occasion Starline does a special run of .38-55 Win. brass that is thinner at the neck. Some of the old guns require a .379-.380" bullet. If your case walls are too thick it can end up being too big to chamber. Inside reaming is a solution but not one many enjoy partaking.

They are going to find out about the length hassle

Gary Reeder
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Friday, January 06, 2023, 16:54 (1305 days ago) @ WB

Marlin discovered this a few years back. They advertised a Marlin model 1895 in 475 Linebaugh at the SHOT SHOW. They took quite a few orders for it. Then when they got back to the shop and talked to their chief gunsmith and he ran the numbers he informed them it wouldn't work. They tried everything but it wouldn't work at all. The cartridge was way too short to work thru the 1895 action. So they tried the 336 and 1894 action. That didn't work either as the wide rim of the 475 Linebaugh was too wide to go thru a mag tube and drop down into the action and then go thru the action without binding up. They ended up giving deposits back, which I thought showed how decent the folks at Marlin were.
Anyway, sometimes things that look like they will fly on paper won't even get off the ground when the trials begin.

This new cartridge at 1.8" may run into the same problem. It may be too short to go thru the 336 or 1895 action and too long to go thru the 1894 action. Like WB said above the rim thickness on a 30-30 case may cause them some problems too. These days the rim thicknesses of various cartridges are causing lots of problems. Cartridges like 45 Long Colt, 45-70, 348, 50 Alaskan among others are experiencing a lot of varying thicknesses on the rims. These cartridges among others were out long before ammo companies had to go by strict SAAMI specs and will vary a lot.

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