1911 help!
Coloradoyaler
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Saturday, May 27, 2023, 17:16 (1163 days ago)
I have never owned a 1911. So I picked up a Springfield Garrison in 45acp. I bought a 460 Rowland kit for it in which I installed. Went to range to test it. I usually reload but decided to try some buffalo bore ammo. Shot some and it function fine. So I decided to put low profile adjustable sight on.The factory novak was extremely tight but I got it off. Put new sight on and went to range. The gun fires but leaves spent case in chamber. I can extract cases working the slide by hand. But it doesn't when fired. ANY help is appreciated.
Is the hammer back ready to fire, or at half
Blake
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Saturday, May 27, 2023, 17:43 (1163 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
Cocked, or still down?
Yep hammer is all the way back
Coloradoyaler
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Saturday, May 27, 2023, 20:09 (1163 days ago) @ Blake
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That cartridge is loaded way to hot in my opinion
Blake
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Saturday, May 27, 2023, 20:43 (1163 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
I have seen “factory” ammo loaded so hot the primers flow back into the firing pin hole! My guess is either the extractor has a problem or the round is so hot it’s sticking in the chamber and the exterior can’t pull it until the round cools a tad longer than it takes the slide to cycle. What pound recoil spring are you using? And look at the primers on your fired case’s. See if they are flat or have a spur from flowing backwards. Need to see a dent to be sane in my book.
Thanks Blake
Coloradoyaler
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Saturday, May 27, 2023, 21:33 (1163 days ago) @ Blake
I tried a 26lbs spring same thing. I am wondering about the extractor.
What do the primer’s look like? Are there extractor
Blake
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 03:56 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
Marks on the fired case?
Buffalo bore 230gr and 255gr
Coloradoyaler
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 07:42 (1162 days ago) @ Blake
Extractor marks
Coloradoyaler
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 08:55 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
Looks like the extractor is denting the case
Blake
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 11:00 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
Under recoil. And it has a drag mark where it skidded over the rim. I would guess it is not sitting deep enough. You should get one of Gary’s 1911
Magnum packs!
https://www.reedercustomguns.com/information/1911%20parts%202-22-22.jpg
I will order on tuesday.
Coloradoyaler
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 12:15 (1162 days ago) @ Blake
What is the flat spring for?
It is part of the trigger group
Blake
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 12:59 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
It insures the reliable movement of the trigger, sear, disconnector, and the hammer.
Oh ok. Not messing with the trigger
Coloradoyaler
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 13:14 (1162 days ago) @ Blake
It great the way it is!
I watched a few tutorials on youtube about testing the extractor and tweeking it. I tried so now off to try it.
Thank you so much for you help!
Blake is a 1911/.45 Super Guru
WB
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 17:33 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
I've shot some of the Rowland stuff and that does not cause too much alarm, the ammo looks warm but not the classic primer flattening BB stuff. Some of it is HOT! How the gun is set up is very important. Using a "kit" was a good idea, parts should be well engineered.
But that old gun is not designed for that rough treatment. The swinging link has lots more moving parts than some late autos. Its a machine, things are in time. I experimented with a G21 Glock using custom throating, chambered muzzle brake, hefty springs. It no doubt greatly accelerates wear, but the round is impressive if it will feed it. The Glock seems more tolerant than the 1911. I've done very naughty things with the G21 platform in .45 and 10mm cal.
I have wanted to play with a G21
Derek
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 18:05 (1162 days ago) @ WB
And run it as a 45 super or 40 Super. They are just so chunky to my hand, may have to find a sf model.
I would strongly recommend staying away from the
Gary Reeder
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 19:38 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
youtube videos. That is a good way to ruin your gun. Talk to a real gunsmith not those "experts" on youtube.
Could I have damaged anything driving the novak sight out?
Coloradoyaler
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Saturday, May 27, 2023, 22:29 (1163 days ago) @ Blake
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No, but you may have done damage to the gun with those
Gary Reeder
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 20:41 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
extremely hot loads. A 230 grain ball round at around 850 to 900 fps or a 200 grain FMJ at 950 to 1000 fps is perfect for self defense. It does the job right without stressing the gun itself and in the long run does not do damage to the gun.
AMEN
Gary Reeder
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 19:33 (1162 days ago) @ Blake
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As I read this my first thought was
JT
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 10:04 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
Why in the world if this is your first 1911 are you jumping right to a 460 Rowland Kit and Using Buffalo Bore Ammo?? Start with regular factory level loads in the original gun and work your way up.
Because I am not new to big bore handguns
Coloradoyaler
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 12:14 (1162 days ago) @ JT
Just the anemic 1911.I have had several Lar Grizzlies and five different desert eagles. Like an idiot I got rid of the Lars.
Anemic? The finest fighting handgun ever
JT
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 20:29 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
To come from the mind of mere mortal man is anemic?
Exactly! Never found it anemic on anything I shot.
Jim Taylor
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 20:42 (1162 days ago) @ JT
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I know of one boar in tn it couldn't kill
Coloradoyaler
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 21:52 (1162 days ago) @ JT
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John, it's something to play with and to learn about.
Coloradoyaler
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 21:56 (1162 days ago) @ JT
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John and Blake are right. For your first 1911
Gary Reeder
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 19:33 (1162 days ago) @ JT
going with the Rowland and Buffalo Bore and the wrong road to take.
Taffin test 460 Rowland
Coloradoyaler
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Monday, May 29, 2023, 09:28 (1161 days ago) @ JT
John
This article helped convince me i would like to try the 460 rowland. The ballistics you listed in the article and comment it is basically a 4 inch 44mg. Just what I am looking for in an alaskan bush carry gun. But, also a fun gun to shoot when 45acp barrel is installed. After years of big bores hammering my hands I am ready for milder recoil. The standard 45acp as you point out leaves one wanting for a more powerful hunting handgun. But I would like to shoot hogs with. Again as you point out the lars grizzly and desert eagles are to bulky. So i get a 1911 and a 460 kit seeing no need to reinvent the wheel. Thats why I jumped to the 460 rowland.
Extractor Sounds Likely
Revolvers&1911s
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Sunday, May 28, 2023, 16:29 (1162 days ago) @ Coloradoyaler
I have been shooting the .460 Rowland for years and primarily reload for it. If your cases are staying in your barrel and not extracting I would believe that the slide is coming back with more force than the extractor you have can handle and it loses its grip on the rim of the case. I haven't had this happen personally on a .460 Rowland 1911, but it did happen to a .45 ACP RIA I had. No kidding, my gunsmith bent it forward just a little bit and the problem disappeared. I'm wondering if what happened was that the first few rounds didn't stress the extractor too much but then it lost it's grip. Let us know how the extractor works out if you swap it out.
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