An Actual Christmas Story, circa 1973

WB
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Wednesday, December 06, 2023, 09:29 (969 days ago)

I was about 11 or 12 years old and found my life incomplete, I needed a “DEER” rifle. My grandfather had graciously “given” me his Stevens 5100 16 bore double, conditional that I kept it at his house. He had taken a nice buck with it while squirrel hunting using hi-brass #4 shot. While it validated the purple shell’s lethality, it was very illegal, but accepted at the time, (late 1960’s) provided it was all used for table fare. Somehow justifying, the elders glossed over the immorality of some special things. I was impressed #4’s did the trick as I thought only buckshot or slugs would kill a deer. Later it was revealed it was only about 25 feet distant, running from dogs and happened upon Grandpa still against a tree looking for bushytails. Of course, I wanted a lever action. I had begged and worked enough to have been gifted a “lever” action Ithaca M66 .410 the Christmas before, but that didn’t scratch the itch. A coveted pack of .410 slugs no matter. My sense of deadliness had worn thin. I needed a real deer rifle.

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The very best gun store in town was “James For Guns” above the Western Auto Store. A very gruff and serious fellow ran the store and unless you had an adult in tow he disapproved younger folk’s coon-fingering the merchandise. If you had your dad, you got a pass, presumably a potential pending sale. He had many used guns, and most were very nice, not second rate or store brands. One memorable Saturday I conned dad into taking me to look, I spied THE one. It was an early M94 Winchester (pre-64 in retrospect) with a chromed receiver contrasting nicely. Most uniquely it sported a Weaver side mount complete with the steel tube Weaver K3 post/crosshair scope. How it hung off the side and still worked was an engineering puzzlement to me and the fine horizontal crosshair with tapered post intersecting from the 6 O’clock position was foreign to me as well. But it was a well-polished and thought out exotic “rig”, that much was obvious. I worked the oiled glass action without fear, dad was with me, with blissful satisfaction. This was IT, only $125 asking. Surely dad could haggle him to $100 and put it under the Christmas tree. The praying and the agonizing plotting began. Just like that movie where the little boy wanted a BB gun. I faced the same type of obstacles. It will carry the bullet for 3 miles, too dangerous, on and on. Dinner table hints, leaving magazines with Winchester ads open in the bathroom and den, balancing the working on mom or dad as progress was measured. You may understand or remember the drill. I went back a week or so later by myself and it was gone! Mr. James gruffly said it had been sold but didn’t say to who. Was he in on a surprise for me? Did Santa come through? I had been on my very best behavior. Long story short, no. It was a disappointing Christmas morning with my concealed hopes completely dashed. Slowly it sank in someone else likely was enjoying the real deer rifle for Christmas. I must not have deserved it after all and that was not what Christmas was about anyway. Good for them, really. I began to be thankful for everything I had and prayed thanks for all my family and grandparents, cousins etc. that I loved so much. My sadness that morning quickly evaporated. That was THE ONE that got away. It was a Merry Christmas after all.

But by golly I’ve made up for it later in life! LOL Merry Christmas!

Great story Scotty!

ChrisG
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Wednesday, December 06, 2023, 09:46 (969 days ago) @ WB

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Scotty, a similar winchester 94 story

Winnturner48
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Wednesday, December 06, 2023, 13:23 (969 days ago) @ WB

I really wanted a model 94 back in 1963.My father thought it would be a great time to teach me the value of work and money.
I worked and saved until I could get the new 94, in 1965.
The difference in value of the 94 pre-64 is what compared to the post-64?
I learned a valuable lesson and he created the monster I am today.
Buy it yesterday!

Around here the pre/post-64 M-94's

WB
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Wednesday, December 06, 2023, 13:52 (969 days ago) @ Winnturner48

are about 50% to 100% apart in price. Old beater M94's are running $400-600 and Pre-64 are $600-1200. Lots depends on condition and any mods, condition of wood etc. Common old 20" carbines seems most in demand and any "pistol" caliber ones (post 64) are tops. They actually made a .44 Magnum M94 in the 1960's. Boy I'd love one. Later ones were made as well, .45 Colt too. I saw one this week. Angle eject .45 Colt! He wants an arm and two legs for it! The pre-64 Winchester is a little slicker feeling but it's not THAT much difference to me.

A sleeper deal on a M94 is a commemorative Winchester (they made tons of them) that has no box and has been shot some. A little finish wear is great for the price drop. No one really wants them and they can have fantastic extra features for fair money. Crescent butts, octagon barrels, rifle configurations, carbine, pistol grips/levers, engraved receivers, and nicer wood. I can overlook some medallion in the butt stock and enjoy the solid pre-safety M94 rifle. One of my favorites was the "Canadian" commemorative. No one wants them and they had nice heavy octagon barrels, scroll engraving, nice wood and fancy butt plates.

I still have an old pre-safety Big Bore XTR 94 in .375 Win. I traded Puffy out of. It's a truly cherished piece, I consider it the peak of M94 development. My view anyway.

Gary's fancy Marlin is a super deal as old beater grade rifles seem $750-1000 for common 336 here. I used to turn them away for $250, not all that long ago!

One of the difference in pre and post was the steel

Gary Reeder
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Wednesday, December 06, 2023, 15:02 (969 days ago) @ WB

in the frame. Winchester was experimenting with the steels and one of the experiments ended up with a frame that couldn't be reblued. Almost a pot metal. When we were in Florida we bought as many of them as we could, cleaned them up good, did some engraving and ran them as a limited edition series of Winchesters we called Purple Haze. They turned out a nice plum color. I think we did maybe 25 or so in the series.

For some reason, I think the post 64 I had, had aluminum in

Winnturner48
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Wednesday, December 06, 2023, 16:48 (969 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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I've not taken the action apart on one

WB
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Thursday, December 07, 2023, 08:03 (968 days ago) @ Winnturner48

The Mag tube follower might be alloy but that's no biggie. Some late shotguns have plastic! Yuck! Mossberg etc. Plastic follower and safety button. They have aftermarket fixes. The late 870's switched from aluminum trigger guards to plastic. Mossberg has had plastic trigger guards for some time. But combat pistols are 50% plastic too.

Like Gary's old hunting rifle there is a desirable charm to the old solid builds. If a man knows the difference and has the money to please himself, so be it. That's what makes them more valuable.

one of the main things most folks didn't like

Gary Reeder
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Monday, December 11, 2023, 12:32 (964 days ago) @ Winnturner48

was the use of small non-steel parts. These were parts that could have been plastic for all that mattered. Things like the follower in the mag tube and a few other small non-important parts. But the people thought they knew better than Winchester and started raising hell about the inferior parts in the post-64 Winchester model 94s. Just like the morons that complain about the JM stamped on the Marlin barrels, that supposedly this was a secret mark that Marlin put on all the good barrels and that any Marlin that didn't have the JM stamp was inferior. Typical moron mentality.

Great story WB!! This big dummy "me" sold

Derek
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Wednesday, December 06, 2023, 15:03 (969 days ago) @ WB

My Winchester 94 I bought as a teenager. Well broken in farm gun, took my first deer with it , etc etc . Well, I've replaced it and it's not going anywhere,Except to the woods later this week.

I just traded a 1964 M94 to a co-worker

WB
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Wednesday, December 06, 2023, 15:30 (969 days ago) @ WB

nice young man. Next I'm introducing him to casting and loading for it with a LEE loader. I found my old Lee 150 gr. DC 150 gr. FNGC mould. This load data is from a 1950's Lyman manual I got from Uncle Gary. It has the .338 Win. in it with cast loads so it's after 1958.

I'm very interested in the 150 gr. loading using 18 gr. of 2400. We will probably back off to 16 to begin. The Unique load has my personal interest, never tried anything that fast burn rate. We might powder coat them if I get time.

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