I got the little 28 gauge from Joe Schvimmer today and
Gary Reeder
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Thursday, October 31, 2024, 17:49 (636 days ago)
what a great little shotgun it is. It is built (I think) on the 410 gauge frame so super small. It is built by Huglu (pronounced Hoo-Loo, a subsidiary of CZ and is part of CZ). The gun is the Bobwhite series and is super light and even with 26 inch barrels it weighs almost nothing. I have to get in touch with Joe and work out a deal with him for the little gun. I plan on shooting it tomorrow to see how it does. It is a side by side which I have never owned one so it is a learning experience for me. Here is a couple of pics of this little beauty.
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WHICH BARREL DO YOU SIGHT DOWN?
Jim Taylor
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Thursday, October 31, 2024, 18:34 (636 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
(an old "over-under" shooters question .. not me ... I just heard someone ask that)
Good one Jim. Neat little shotgun.
SPB
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Friday, November 01, 2024, 06:48 (635 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
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Around here we call that a "side by each".
WB
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Friday, November 01, 2024, 07:37 (635 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
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The Double set triggers could pose a challenge?
Jeff Spencer
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Friday, November 01, 2024, 17:46 (635 days ago) @ Jim Taylor
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One trigger for left barrell, one for the right?
Jeff Spencer
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Friday, November 01, 2024, 17:47 (635 days ago) @ Jeff Spencer
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In shotgunning fancier guns sport enhanced features
WB
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Saturday, November 02, 2024, 09:48 (634 days ago) @ Jeff Spencer
The next level is a single trigger, selective feature (which barrel you want to fire first), ejectors for spent hulls, fancy wood or engraving etc. Tons of shotguns today are made in Turkey. Including CZ, SKB, Savage, Mossberg, O/U semi-autos and many more.
Good old field guns are categorized in box lock (cheaper - common frame with two mechanical hammers) or Sidelock. Sidelocks are generally really fancy as they are literally two different mechanisms independent of each other. Lots of double rifles are like that. If one fails the other should still work. Most field guns have two triggers. You can choose a farther shooting choke or closer one by choosing which trigger to pull. It's very fast and always the back trigger is the tighter choke on a fixed choke gun.
Not a thing wrong with a double trigger gun. It just denotes a more purposeful tool type rig rather than a fancied up gun. Which you can spy from across the room. Engraving seldom helps one shoot better.
For dangerous game in Africa the PHs that use
Gary Reeder
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Saturday, November 02, 2024, 12:20 (634 days ago) @ WB
a double rifle (which most do) although many hate a single trigger gun. Mainly that is because if you have a lion or Cape Buffalo coming at you and for some reason when you pull the trigger nothing happens, with a single trigger gun you are screwed. With a double trigger gun you simply move your hand back and pull the back trigger, hopefully getting your ass out of a bind. Normally recoil of the first barrel cocks the other barrel and it just takes a second to pull the back trigger.
A single trigger gun can be cocked by hitting the butt of the gun lightly against the ground or even hitting the butt as hard as you can with your hand. But in a tight situation with a bear 10 feet from you you simply don't have the time to do that. I have several single trigger guns but I don't have that situation crop up mainly that is because I only use handguns in all my hunts. But in those hunts a TC can cause you to be lunch for a bear or lion as you only have one barrel and no time to open the gun, insert a new round and close it. The length of time it takes to do that can easily get you eaten.
A PH I know that has a 500 Nitro as his back up double gun uses the 2 trigger gun with a standard soft point in the right barrel and a solid in the left barrel. I have taken 3 Cape Buffalo with my 450 GNR in a TC and in each situation the PH told me to use a soft point bullet first and then if I have screwed up to give him the solid.
On my lion hunt my PH preferred a jacketed soft point which was what I used. On something like a lion or other like sized animal I wouldn't think a JHP would be the best way to go. I guess it would be all according to the situation.
There are 2 ways to go when hunting a large dangerous animal or simply a large animal that is hard to put down. Those two choices are a soft point or a solid. In the pic the first two were from my 450 GNR and were a kudu on the left and a Zebra next in line. Neither are obviously not a dangerous animal but my 450 GNR was what I had in my hand at the time. Both were with 500 grain Hornady solids and they took 2 or 3 rounds to put them down. The middle bullet is a solid from another animal and a different brand of solids. The bullet on the right is from my first Cape Buffalo and it was a Hornady 510 grain jacketed soft point in my 450 GNR and it took one shot to put him down. The bullet did exactly what it was supposed to.
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Capstick, a self proclaimed expert on African hunting of dangerous game and professional hunter (of which he was neither) often mentions solids that failed by hitting a bone and bending into an L shaped bullet. I have asked several PHs about that and none of them have ever had that happen. I have had friends who have never been to Africa but are "experts" on African hunting that tell all about that happening with large animals. In taking 94 African animals including several large boned animals like Cape Buffalo or Eland I will believe it when I see it.
But back to the single or double trigger guns. My recommendation is go with what you are comfy with. My new double trigger side by side is something I will have to get used to.
Yes, the right barrel is the front trigger and
Gary Reeder
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Saturday, November 02, 2024, 11:28 (634 days ago) @ Jeff Spencer
obviously the left barrel is the back trigger. That is going to take some getting used to.
And on my doubles . . .
ORG
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Sunday, November 03, 2024, 06:33 (633 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
. . . that right barrel is "modified" and the left is "full". Not sure if that's a universal standard but it is true of all the guns I've seen/handled. I have not encountered all the various makes/models of course. 
I did patterning on my new 28 gauge and it worked out a
Gary Reeder
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Monday, November 04, 2024, 17:20 (632 days ago) @ ORG
modified choke in the right barrel and improved modified choke in the left barrel.
I also have a Ruger O/U in 28 gauge and with Larry Farley's loads it does slightly better in both barrels over the new CZ 28 gauge. Not really a bit of difference. Maybe 5% more in the kill zone. Larry's loads kick a bit more but that could be just my imagination.
Sounds right.
ORG
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Monday, November 04, 2024, 19:43 (632 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
It's just that "usually" the left choke is the tighter of the two . . . assuming they aren't both identical, which happens occasionally. 
In a gun with chokes it can be whatever you
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, November 05, 2024, 16:49 (631 days ago) @ ORG
like or whichever the gun likes.
28 ga
FSimon
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Thursday, October 31, 2024, 18:41 (636 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
Gary, I hope you do like it and get along with it...I have had one for 10 plus yrs and love it...I have taken it for grouse and pheasant hunting exclusively...#6 Winchester loads work great on the pheasants an #8 on grouse...Does it have choke tubes? Frank
The gun is the CZ Bobwhite model in 28 gauge.
Gary Reeder
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Friday, November 01, 2024, 11:49 (635 days ago) @ FSimon
It is a full factory side by side. It comes in a nice hard case and has 5 or 6 choke tubes and the choke tube remover.
I may have to have Larry Farley teach me how to shoot a side by side as all my experience has been with over/unders. Larry has one of those monster shotshell loaders that you push a button and it loads enough shotshells to last me a long time. But Larry goes to Argentina (or one of those South American countries) and he and a buddy shoot 35,000 to 40,000 doves in 4 days.
Anyway I like the little CZ shotgun and plan to shoot it today to see how it patterns with each choke tube.
Kind of like a “Bearcat” of a DB. lol
WB
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Thursday, October 31, 2024, 19:31 (636 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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That's a nice one!!
Derek
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Friday, November 01, 2024, 15:28 (635 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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I've been thinking about getting a CZ Bobwhite
Derek
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Sunday, November 03, 2024, 15:43 (633 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
Only in 20 GA.
Weatherby offers a nice SxS also made in Turkey .
DinCA
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Sunday, November 03, 2024, 16:32 (633 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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