I had a couple ask about the shotgun

Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, November 05, 2024, 13:21 (631 days ago)

patterning and how the new CZ did. I have a Ruger Red Label 28 gauge O/U to compare it with.All patterning was done at 20 yards which is about max for a 28 gauge. Just for chits and grins here is the Ruger 28 gauge patterns. So don't expect 12 gauge patterns. It ain't happening. There are some open spots in which a bunny could get thru. Somebody on here said the left barrel or bottom barrel was the tightest. That didn't prove out at all. In fact just the opposite.But that could be easily changed by changing the choke tube. I have 6 choke tubes with each gun.
The Ruger shot low in both barrels but in heavy brush and close shots that shouldn't pose a problem.
The first Ruger pattern is one of Larry Farley's fine loads, a modified choke load of #6 shot. The second is a factory load and again is a modified choke load and again #6 shot.This Ruger liked the modified choke with the improved modified choke real close in amount of shot on the sheet. The Ruger did not like the improved cylinder load at all so the one to go with on this shotgun was modified choke in both barrels or modified in the bottom barrel and Improved modified in the top barrel, and again the barrel chosen didn't really matter as the choke tubes are easily changed. .

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The CZ did almost identical in shot patterns. Strangely enough the improved cylinder choke did well, putting pellets all over the target but in this gun they were scattered out, with not enough shot in any one area. Probably good for bunnies in real tight brush where the shots were close. Here is that target.
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That may have been a fluke so I will use that choke and load in extremely heavy brush. Here is the other targets.
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As you can see it is not a great pattern with either gun but for our rabbit hunting here in the heavy brush it will be fine if I do my part. We don't have much bird hunting here as we have no quail. We have Blue Grouse but I have to hike up to 10,000 feet before I find the Grouse. They range between 10,000 and 10,500 feet in elevation and are extremely hard to hunt unless you have a real good dog.

One strange thing about the CZ is it came with a rubber pad on the cheek piece. I thought it was for looks but decided to check the patterns with the pad on there. The pad was 1/2" thick and covered the entire cheek area. I found out the pad was a real no no. In every case with the pad the gun shot 6 to 8 inches high. I was really disappointed in the gun until I took the pad off (it was just stuck on with some type of light glue). After taking the pad off it was a totally different breed. The patterns were still an inch or two high but that is easily covered. Here are 2 of the CZ patterns with that pad on the gun.Both high and left.
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All in all both the Ruger and CZ will be fine close up heavy brush guns for both Cotton Tail and Jack Rabbits.

A very cool shooting test! I like it.

WB
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Tuesday, November 05, 2024, 14:46 (631 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

Yesterday we went out in the pasture to throw some clays. I have an Outers tripod trap. It is set to throw about 60 yds. The conditions were overcast and very windy. (The trap shoot is tomorrow at noon) BTW I had a Baikal in .410 SXS. Wish I still had it! You can handload 3" to 28 bore specs. with a 3/4 oz. load. I used 2400 powder but I bet longshot would be great.

I set Roman up with my dad's 1100 Std. 20 ga. 28" full fixed choke. I had the Franken-Remington 870 with a full choke tube and my Mossberg 500 Turkey gun with 23" Ported barrel and IC choke. The 500 is a very good gun but is a little short stock for me in shirt sleeves. Fine in a hunting coat but it beat me up a little even with 1-1/8 oz. target loads. I hit good with it to about 40 yds. if I "followed through" on the falling bird. If I aimed a foot under and stopped, I always shot over it! I was lots better performing on fast birds out or before they started to drop.

The Remington is just a more refined gun. The 870 Wingmasters used to be double $$$ the Mossberg 500's and you could see why. But they downgraded the 870 "Express" with matte finish, synthetic stock, plastic trigger guard and made it a Mossberg in spirit. Now both cost $400-500. I have custom stocks on the 870 and it fit a little better than the Mossberg. I probably stand a better chance with it and it's full choke. But if I wait till the bird starts dropping I'm in a fight, no matter. The 1100 20 bore standard is simply sublime and pleasant. A custom stock away from being as good as anything in field grade.

One boy going tomorrow has never shot a shotgun. It will be interesting. I have a Rossi single barrel 12 30" Modified for him. It has a good recoil pad on it, but it does not weigh much!!! I've been coaching him already. I'll have pictures tomorrow.

After shooting that Rossi 12 gauge that weighs about

Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, November 05, 2024, 16:45 (631 days ago) @ WB

3½ pounds he may never speak to you again, or may just use the gun on you.

Not much of an exageration...

WB
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Tuesday, November 05, 2024, 19:45 (631 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

He looked it over today. I think he is a southpaw as well. He seemed pleased with the simplicity. I think it calmed him as he instantly could understand it's workings. It has only an action button, much like the H&R, and a hammer. An addition is a safety inconveniently, by design, located on the left flat of the action.

Like I mentioned it has a nice fresh recoil pad but is listed at only 5-1/2 lbs. Hopefully he can endure (50) 1 oz. shots through it. It was a gift to my youngest son. It also was provided with a fitted .243 Winchester barrel fitted with iron sights and a scope. Not fancy but a serviceable camp gun. Just keep Jim Taylor clear of it with his hacksaw. LOL!

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There should be a way to get rid of that safety.

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, November 06, 2024, 06:20 (630 days ago) @ WB

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Rossi did a good safety on the lever guns

WB
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Wednesday, November 06, 2024, 07:19 (630 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

a ghost ring fits right in it's place. But this is not a bad thing. The gun is mostly for new shooters and it's not going to accidentally get knocked off. It is ugly. This type of arm the transfer bar hammer should be enough, but import restrictions being what they are...

The barrel on the shotgun is a mono-block with the tube fitted in it rather obviously. It's not melded together like a nice double. But that too seems to be ok for it's purpose. I had a Baikal single 12 that I whacked off that you'd approve. lol But this one is pretty good for a loaner so we keep it long with the modified choke. A 3" heavy load from it would loosen your teeth!

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Oh yeah ... looks like a copy of the H&R Topper.

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, November 06, 2024, 08:16 (630 days ago) @ WB

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Does the F mean it is full auto?

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, November 07, 2024, 13:39 (629 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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