WHat is a "Guild" gun? I like to learn something every day.
WB
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Thursday, November 14, 2024, 07:55 (622 days ago)
I've seen it listed on mostly European shotguns or rifles of high quality. The prices usually are reasonable for what they are.
Is it a budding journeyman gunsmith's example of his work to provide for acceptance? That was my inclination. Maybe someone has special insight.
BTW how is fine Mr. Taffin making it these days? He's had it rough for a while.
One definition is a gun
IC
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Thursday, November 14, 2024, 09:21 (622 days ago) @ WB
where one "smith" did the action, another the barrel, and so on. There would be no maker stamped on the gun. Looking at the guild guns listed on GunBroker and magnifying the pictures, I don't see any maker marks on them. As Gary says "your milage may very"
Irv pretty much covers it all. This started in Europe
Gary Reeder
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Thursday, November 14, 2024, 12:30 (622 days ago) @ IC
before WW2. There were whole towns that built custom rifles, double rifles, O/U shotgun/rifle combos and so on. One family would do the barrels, one the actions, another the finish and so on.
That sorta ended up being much the same here in the states except not quite that deep. One family doing the frames, another the barrels and so wouldn't work here in this country due to all the never ending laws. But the handgun guild is similar to that. One company may do the engraving, another the finish, another the barrel and so on. Whereas in Europe one family would build the entire action, another the double barrels and so on. Much more involved than here in the states.
A guild gun is still a custom gun built by several custom gunsmiths that are the best in their field. So if a person wants the best and is willing on paying for it, a Guild Gun is something special, and due to our laws it becomes really a hassle of paperwork, as the gun may go to one custom gun guy who will do his part then he ships it to another custom gun guy who does his part, then it is shipped to another custom gun guy and so on. It may go thru 6 or 8 custom gunsmiths before it is finished and often take a couple of years. It drives the Feds crazy as there are questions about exactly who belongs to the gun and whose name goes on it. The Feds are really strict about the "Maker's Mark" on the gun and by law that gun has to have that somewhere on it. I put ours down on the butt of the gun.
Years ago I talked to John Linebaugh about it and he had the same thing to say that I did when asked. That being we are so far behind that I can't stop what I am doing to do a part on the Guild Gun. Plus I don't consider myself in the same league as the guys on the Guild Gun and for that matter I have never been asked to participate in a Guild Gun. There is no question about Hamilton Bowen being the best there is in the custom handgun field. Hamilton may take 4 or 5 years but the gun will be perfect in every way. I am not in that league by any stretch. Sometimes a special gun may take me 3 or 4 years to build but that is not because I do everything by hand, which some custom gun guys do, but it would be because of parts shortages.
But to answer the basic question, if you want a special handgun built by 5 or 6 of the finest custom gunsmiths, and you have a lot of spare change in your pocket, then investing in a Guild Gun is your baby.
And to answer your other question, John is not up to
Gary Reeder
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Thursday, November 14, 2024, 12:34 (622 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
tap dancing or running the hundred yard sprint these days but he is coming along very well.
The town in Austria was Ferlach and every now and then
Gary Reeder
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Thursday, November 14, 2024, 15:36 (622 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
you see a double rifle or drilling at a great price marked Ferlach. Many of their guns were marked Ferlach but they were built for well known companies like Rigby, Holland and others. Just like back in the late 50s and thru the 60s Marlin, Mossberg, and High Standard among others built guns for Sears, Montgomery Ward, Penny's and others. They were guns made for many of the big stores of the day. A lot of really good guns are passed up when people see the Sears logo on the guns not knowing they were very well made guns made for the big box stores of the day.
I have seen high dollar double rifles go for really low prices because they had the names Sears, Montgomery wards and others on the barrels. I have bought several drillings (3 barrel guns) in great shape but people pass on them not knowing that they were made by well known brands. Kase spotted a 500 Nitro double rifle at a fellows table at a gun show in Las Vegas. It was priced about one fourth of what it should have been but it had Ferlach's name on it. By the time he got back to my table and we got back to the table where the gun was it had just sold for about one fourth of what it should have. There are a lot of really good deals out there to be found at gun shows if one just looks closely.
As an example...
WB
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Thursday, November 14, 2024, 12:50 (622 days ago) @ WB
This delicious example of a Belgium "Guild" gun 16 ga. is priced at $700 OBO with absolutely NOTHING amiss. The craftsmanship is astounding. But not many would actually want it for some reason?!
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a very interesting gun Scott, where did you find it ?
jthomson
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Friday, November 15, 2024, 09:41 (621 days ago) @ WB
The raised rib has me puzzled, I would guess a waterfowl gun from the looks of it, but the single trigger and raised rib make it look more like a pigeon model, fill me in bro ?
Like Gary said all these "Guild" guns
WB
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Friday, November 15, 2024, 15:39 (621 days ago) @ jthomson
doubles, combination, drillings, stuff of exceptional build quality that should cost tens of thousands by comparison for 10 cents on the dollar!
If anything broke you's need a REAL gunsmith to make a part but same thing with all this stuff made in Turkey today. After 4-5 yrs. fat chance of getting any parts. I had an Italian Zabala double 10 bore years back. I myself made a set of stainless firing pins from a grade-8 bolt I had laying around, and heat treated them. Better than new. It was a nice old gun.
Gunsinternational dot com. They are sort of like
WB
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Friday, November 15, 2024, 15:42 (621 days ago) @ WB
the old Gunsamerica without all the pop-ups and fees. You pay a flat fee of like$17.50 to post and it can stay on forever, no further fees, no sales tax in some instances, just you and the seller. Type in "Guild" for a search on their sight. I spend a million $$$ in my mind every time I prowl on there.