Had to know for myself, not refuting anyone’s comments

WB
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Wednesday, January 01, 2025, 15:24 (573 days ago)

I agree with the comments. But there is something at play here. FA stuff is very uncompromising as to detail and quality, at a premium price. Then unleashed upon the masses and relayed from discriminating purchasers to second, third, and so on levels of second hand buyers. I’m sure liability is an ever present concern at a manufacturer.

But to shed light…. It seems that FA .454 chambers are indeed “square cut” at the cartridge to throat interface. I’ve not noted that ever before. Most chambers seem to be more beveled. I’m not sure of the reason. I do have experience with cast bullets from rifles where a bullet can be bumped up to diameter of the confining chamber then a “doughnut” of lead cut as it transitions into the actual throat of the chamber. It caused me some chambering issues and I found it quickly. But I could see where sharply transitioning interfaces could cause issues. So way back in the 1990’s a gunwriter made a flippant remark and no doubt “got corrected”, making an effort to right the remark.

So now I know the reasoning. Proper jacketed bullets would certainly lessen issues as well.

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FA also sport very minimal “forcing cone” influence at the beginning of the bore. I had a M97 in .224-32FA that it looked nonexistent! Yet it out-shot many of my bolt action rifles.
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Interesting. I think the issue came from calling a cylinder

SPB
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Wednesday, January 01, 2025, 16:01 (573 days ago) @ WB

square. lol.

That is certainly different than the one I got in '86

Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, January 01, 2025, 17:05 (573 days ago) @ WB

The first had a hardened forcing cone that was removable. If you burned out the forcing cone with superhot loads it was easy for the factory to replace. Paco still has his 454 that has that removable forcing cone. It was almost a short freebore like Gary's Maxi-Throat.

My 454 did not have chambers cut like that either. Like I said, Paco and I ran hundreds of rounds through our guns in 86 and 87 before we were able to get 454 brass. The first that we got was made by North American and used a Large primer. Later we got brass from Freedom that used a Small primer.

Like Jim Taylor said it sure is different from my

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, January 02, 2025, 14:50 (572 days ago) @ WB

model 83. Maybe I am blind but there is nothing square in my chambers or the mouth of the bore. Not arguing or trying to start an argument but I sure don't see anything square in my close up pics or your pics. Maybe someone with a lot more revolver knowledge than I can show me a square anything in a round chamber and throat.I think if a person looks long enough he can tell himself that yes there is a square cut there.

To me is looks like a .45 ACP chamber, just longer.

WB
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Thursday, January 02, 2025, 16:07 (572 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

the transition looks to be a sharp 90 degrees to a smaller hole. I'm going to find my pin gauges that Taffin turned me onto and see what exactly the throat is. I can't measure for crap with calipers. It does not look like a normal chamber for a roll crimp round like I expect.

To be honest I never looked before. I got the crayons out and was going to do a cast. But I think I can see it. Keep meaning to order some of that casting alloy but I never have. I just use stinky crayons.

A fellow at my LGS has some really fancy guns, combination euro guns. No clue as to chamberings. I thought we might do some chamber casts using that Brownell's alloy.

My Mother told me years ago that as a small urchin I was bad

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, January 02, 2025, 16:25 (572 days ago) @ WB

about eating crayons. Later on I switched from crayons to Bourbon.

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