There is a new "King of Cartridges" coming from Federal
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, January 21, 2025, 15:34 (553 days ago)
It is just an exact copy of the 280 Ackley Improved and also a copy of our 280 GNR. It is the 7mm Backcountry. It is a "completely new" cartridge, no belt, a 20" barrel with a 165 to 170 grain bullet at 3000 fps. Looks like they are going backwards to me. They have just invented a cartridge that is an exact copy of 2 other cartridges, one of which is a handgun that is 200 FPS faster. Amazing.
Here is our 280 GNR cartridge which is apparently
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, January 21, 2025, 16:35 (553 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
the same as the new 7mm Backcountry. In the pic the 3rd from the left is the 280 GNR, which is ballistically about the same as the 7mm Backcountry, but looking at their ballistics the 280 GNR is 200 FPS faster.
In the pic, left to right is the 257 GNR, 277 GNR, 280 GNR, 310 GNR, 8mm GNR, 338 GNR, 350 GNR, 366 GNR, and 378 GNR. All based on the 405 case.
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I remember Bob Baker at the Y-O seeing a .378 GNR in my belt
WB
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Wednesday, January 22, 2025, 08:50 (552 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
It went against the "then current" popular trends. The idea behind the "short magnum" concept was a short fat powder column burned more efficient than a long slender one. Mainstream armchair experts would have been horrified at the idea of going the opposite direction, much LESS from a 14-16" barrel. I was pushing a 260 gr. Nosler at 2300 fps from a 13"+2" braked Encore. On my .338 GNR I easily got 2600 for a 200 gr. Hornady in the 14" + 2" braked barrel. Powder selection and giving it work to do, something to push against, is a balance specifically tailored to the hunting handgun barrel.
Bob asked "that is a long cartridge, I wonder how it would do shortened a little?". I laughed and said "you'd have a .375 JDJ". I have shot JD's very popular round, and it is good, probably his best for the old Contenders. But compared to the .378 GNR it holds less powder and has a larger case head (.444 Marlin is .30-06 diameter). This exerts more pressure in psi to the breachface for the same given total pressure. Probably not a whole bunch, but it is what it is. Is the longer powder column more efficient? I don't think there is enough difference to really measure. Best I personally managed for a .375 JDJ was 2100 for a 270 gr. It stomped me pretty good too. Even JD went on to work with skinny long powder chamber cartridges based on the .30-06 rimless case. I always want a rim on my fixed breach rounds.
I think I'm in agreement with GNR on how I'm personally getting numb with all these new marketing gimmicks. I'm all for progress but it seems excessive and proprietary, beyond what a "re-loader" will be able to mimic down the road. Using special alloy cases and propellants that he cannot obtain.
A .378 GNR taken cull buck at the Y-O while I was sick with the flu. I used a 270 gr. Hornady for this one at 100 yds. or so. One shot. I was using IMR4064 for 2300 fps, Puffy and Sean used IMR 3031 which is a little hotter. But I had the powder on hand and it was so accurate. 4064 was just bulkier and I could not get as much in the case.
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Sometime later, again at the Y-O, .338 GNR and 200 gr. Nosler. Blackbuck just over 100 yds. while it was snowing. Two shots. One while he was flopping wildly. If he ran off it was $2500 for the show. So I made it count. The Noslers were a little tough skinned on the small antelope. I would have liked some better expansion, wished I had used the less expensive but softer Hornady SP (2600 fps).
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To really perplex Bob at a later meeting I produced one of HIS, then new, FA2008 handguns reworked into my personal idea of perfection. Shortened slightly 12" + 2" brake and chambered in .378 GNR! The .375 cal. Noslers seemed to perform better than the same design .338/200 gr. I'd still like to "Gunfighter" the SA style grip on that beast! It really gets in your face in recoil. Bob had plans for a 1911 type gripframe (yikes!) and a carbine conversion as well. He also spoke of a .257-32FA cartridge but I never heard if he ever made one to test. Sport of a modernized .25-20 WCF.
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No honor among thieves…300 Whisper?
SPB
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Tuesday, January 21, 2025, 17:01 (553 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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80,000 psi in a special metal case?! No thanks.
WB
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Tuesday, January 21, 2025, 17:25 (553 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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It will be interesting to see if it lasts.
Jim Taylor
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Wednesday, January 22, 2025, 09:30 (552 days ago) @ WB
Steel cases are hard on extractors ... and present problems for reloaders ... plus those kinds of pressures can be really hard on barrel life ..