I have a 300 gr. .45 Colt Ruger load to do.

WB
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Friday, June 27, 2025, 15:08 (394 days ago)

I didn’t use magnum primers. (?!!) I’m too worried to go with H110 or LilGun. Was going to do 20.0 grs. of either. I think I have some 4227, maybe 2400 too. Looking for about 1200 fps. I’ll double check the load density, if it’s above 95% I just can’t forgo magnum primers. I’ve been burnt by that before.

My 300 gr. .45 Load averages 1150 or so.

Jim Taylor
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Friday, June 27, 2025, 15:37 (394 days ago) @ WB

18.5 gr. 2400 ... standard primer .. using bullet #457191

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I don't neck expand. I use a tapered rod to just flare the lips of the case enough to start the bullet. Extra case tension helps stop bullets from pulling the crimp.

This is actually the .45 Paradox loading.

WB
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Friday, June 27, 2025, 16:13 (394 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

A full length .460 S&W case loaded like a full wadcutter. I don’t anticipate jumping crimp. I could cap with a gas check too.

If you've never read it....

Kevin T
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Friday, June 27, 2025, 19:15 (394 days ago) @ WB

This may help,
http://www.sixgunner.org/dissolving-the-myth.html
From John Linebaugh's writings. If anything its a very good read into the potential of the 45 Colt.

Yes, that’s a great article, classic.

WB
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Friday, June 27, 2025, 20:27 (394 days ago) @ Kevin T

The Paradox was “invented” in the late 1800’s. This application was perfected in the early 1990’s. With solid projectile a .45 cal. Bullet is fired and travels some 3.5” to somewhat progressively squirt through 1.5” of .430” bore! Hamilton Bowen and Ross Seyfried worked out the details along with a gaggle of other loonies.

I’m geeking on the residuals of their knowledge. Trying a slick twist or two of later tech.

This gun is a modified .44. All steel with

WB
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Saturday, June 28, 2025, 06:31 (393 days ago) @ WB

the unfluted cylinder re-bored straight through to hold a flush .460 S&W case. The barrel is still the original .44 but has a 3-1/2" smoothbore .45 section, a sort of engineered transition or throat, into the .430" section. The bullets do get longer as they are reformed in the bore, and I'm certain it is a little rough but not much more than the cylinder/throat transition. Excepting forcing a .45 into a .44.

They call it a .44 Paradox, but the case (.460 S&W) and bullet are literally .452". But indeed, when the smoke clears, a .44 projectile is what is in play. Just not in the beginning.

This is why I have only tolerant and patient friends...

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Great article as long as you remember . . .

ORG
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Saturday, June 28, 2025, 06:17 (393 days ago) @ Kevin T

. . . that Linebaugh's loads all greatly exceed the 14,000 PSI pressure limit of the classic .45 Colt loads that Ruger recommends in the owner's manuals for its revolvers. If you accept the responsibility for this situation, no problem. But to claim that the Ruger guns are "good for" these loads is ignoring the facts of the matter as far as Ruger is concerned. Your gun, your call. ;-)

I decided not to use 4227 or AA1680 .

WB
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Saturday, June 28, 2025, 15:53 (393 days ago) @ ORG

to get there and keep pressures in check (by my standards) I need H110 or Lil'gun. Lil'gun actually cuts pressures by about 20% at the same velocities. It may just be the thing. But I need to re-do the primers with hot caps. I've beat the last projectile from a $2k revolver bore, thank you!

Lil'gun has gotten some bad press but I think it is more due to 99.9% loads, basically compressed, said to foster pre-mature throat erosion. I personally think at 80-85% loads it has no ill effects. I shot about 4 lbs. of it through a .41 cal. before I was told it was fattening. I saw no problems. I should be able to easily get my slick 300 gr. (actually slightly less) .45 slug to 1200 fps and stay well under a listed 30,000 cup rating.

I shoot a 310 grain

Randy Barnett
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Friday, June 27, 2025, 17:17 (394 days ago) @ WB

cast hollow point in my 45LC. I can get 1200 fps using 11FS, AA#9 or 4100. Standard primers.

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