I'm really liking this cheap flat point FMJ 9mm W-W ammo

WB
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Sunday, July 27, 2025, 18:47 (362 days ago)

Not everyone is shooting it out of a 6" Glock (special converted G20 actually using 10mm mags), but is is clocking 1380 fps for the 115 gr. bullet. That beats a .38 Super +P and this is standard pressure rated, not even 9+P.

My pocket gun has a more normal 3.25" barrel but it still beats 1250 fps. Super impressive. I did mention it is cheap target fodder. That flat point really makes a different in penetration and energy transfer over a classic round nose.

I'm needing some good sights for this rig. I may even go adjustable if I can find them. I have barrels for this platform in 9mm, 9x25 Dillon, .40, 10mm, .460 and .45 ACP. But to be honest the factory Glock sights hit pretty much POA for some reason, with everything. I've done some trigger work but stopped short of doing it right with a full ZEV kit etc. I'd like a good trigger with closer to a SA weight pull, for more precise, longer range shooting.

I really had a day. Killed a red dot, shot the Chronograph (again, they have a file on me). I can't find the stock rear sight, not until I order something else...

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Sorry I meant G21, not 20. The barrel hood

WB
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Sunday, July 27, 2025, 19:08 (362 days ago) @ WB

Cut out in the slide on a G21 is wider than a G20, allowing .45 cal. barrels. The reverse is not true, FWIW.

Flat point…interesting. Do you use it for carry?

drdougrx
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Monday, July 28, 2025, 04:35 (362 days ago) @ WB

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It sounds crazy but yes, half+ of my carry is rural.

WB
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Monday, July 28, 2025, 07:09 (362 days ago) @ drdougrx

As you know I shoot a lot of cast bullets. They are basically "full jacket" as to performance. Handguns mostly poke holes, there are so many variables in JHP performance or expansive bullets. Shooting gelatin looks cool and all science but that is very controlled and simply a comparative tool, under those circumstances.

A flat tip creates a shock wave ahead of the bullet, things get out of the way before it gets there, and the bullet usually flies more straight and deeper. This flat point also transfers notable more than a round nose FMJ. I've always liked truncated nose bullets for semi-autos. A good 185-200 gr. SWC or truncated bullet .45 ACP is not a bad round at close to 1000 fps. You could shoot almost anything with it and not do too bad.

That little 115 gr. at 1300+ fps is pretty serious. At $13-15 per 50, in good reloadable brass, it is a deal.

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*Telling on myself; this is a $2 Hornady 90 gr. FXT Critical Defense .380 projectile. Thought by some one of the best defensive round in that caliber. I did something stupid and fired a round in the house! (long ago) It went into the couch cushion, habitually a safe direction though, and continued an interesting path. This was a very well made leather couch. The bullet penetrated the cushion, two oak 1" boards of framework, hit the thick plank floor, turned 135 degrees, traveled 20 feet, hit the kitchen wall, landing on the top of the oven in front of my understandably screaming wife. Not exactly what I would expect from a JHP, even fired from a 2.5" .380. It's a forever family story now. I also shot a sick goat, twice with this round. It performed like a larger version of a .22 LR. I'll not be buying any more of them. Point being if it's likely not to expand anyway, you might as well have a flat tip and try to ensure deep penetration. Not stopping or diverting in heavy clothing or whatever.

I carry the flat point in the .45 ACP

Jim Taylor
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Monday, July 28, 2025, 07:18 (362 days ago) @ WB

Works much better than a hollowpoint in the real world from my personal experience.

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The old target 200 gr. SWC is pretty easy to run 1000 fps

WB
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Monday, July 28, 2025, 10:30 (362 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

from a 5" gun. I added a "plain base" gas check and ran it at 1400+ fps from a 5.5"! (.45 Super in a special long throat barrel with muzzle break). Man that was a blaster!

I have the 230 gr. FP in the photo

Jim Taylor
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Monday, July 28, 2025, 10:53 (362 days ago) @ WB

loaded over 10.6 Blue Dot for 1034 fps average from my old 1911.

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Besides being a good Magnum Shotshell powder

WB
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Monday, July 28, 2025, 14:09 (362 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

we used to shoot a lot of Blue Dot in 140 gr. .357 loads and .41 Magnum too. I have a mould for the 230 gr. Tumble Lube LEE TC bullet. It works great, even in the .45 Colt. My .45 Super chamber has a throat about as long as a .45 Schofield. I leaned on the throating cutter a but much! lol The projectile travels at least 1/4" or so, before engaging rifling and actually starting to build up pressure. I guess since it has free bore the bullet stays aligned and goes straight. Accuracy is great, despite my fumbling. A chambered muzzle break for the threaded muzzle really helps with recoil and has to help with the barrel tilting and flip. My max load with the 230 gr. TC "gas check" ran right at 1300 fps using "LongShot". A little slower, and lower pressure than Blue Dot. You should try some given the occasion. It added 200 fps to my 10 ga. 2 oz. Turkey loads at the same liste pressure as Blue Dot. The BlueD. is the traditional standard for really big magnum shotshells.

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Ditto. I use the Missouri Bullets 225 Flat Head

Dave H.
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Monday, July 28, 2025, 14:21 (362 days ago) @ Jim Taylor

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If it works in the gun,

IC
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Monday, July 28, 2025, 11:21 (362 days ago) @ drdougrx

I use it in all of my carry guns (revolver and auto).

I like that!

Dave H.
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Monday, July 28, 2025, 14:31 (362 days ago) @ WB

I, like many on here, prefer a non-HP round for serious carry and social engagements. I can't for the life of me, figure out how the HP gained as much notoriety as it has. I do get the theory behind it, but I still won't carry one in a handgun for fear that Murphy's Law will strike!

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