Just for the interest, some strange physics

WB
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Saturday, December 20, 2025, 18:41 (10 days ago)

Roman bought into playing with the 8.6 Blackout. It’s basically the old .308x1.5 necked up to .338. (I mean based on the 6.5 CM, .30 TC). He had an AR10 platform so he bought an upper assembly. He plans on shooting suppressed. His ammo is a monolithic alloy pointed (!) 285 gr. running right at 1050 fps. It’s like shooting a 9mm carbine.

The strange thing is this sort of experimental rate of twist. A bit wild, the bullet makes one revolution in 3” of bore travel. I’m not sure why it doesn’t unscrew your arms upon firing. lol. But it’s something new they are trying. Because of this you can’t shoot normal bullets with a core. It will disintegrate them, possibly in the muzzle break! I’d love to toy with some water dropped cast (monolithic alloy you know) but I’m not sure what they can handle in that twist without stripping through the rifling. But it might be interesting to see. I think I have a 220 and 280 gr. .338 mold.

I thought you guys might find it interesting. It might be a gimmick or the start of something new. History takes time. The bullet rpm rather than 90,000 rpm of a more conventional fast twist .224 is in the range of 300,000 - 400,000 rpm. They say it does some wild performance things with energy transfer at the subsonic speeds. Just something different.

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Brian T
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Saturday, December 20, 2025, 20:17 (10 days ago) @ WB

I have an encore I have been shooting for a year or so.

You can shoot standard cup and core bullets sub-sonic, I have shot a bunch of the ELD-X and some Midway seconds.

Limited load data but most of the hunting bullet suppliers will give you starting data.

wacked this guy with a 342 grain "Pork Shredder" from Gorilla Ammunition, about 950 FPS, thru and thru from around 40 yards.

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I had the barrel cut to 12" and currently have a red dot on it and it shoots pretty good. Will keep posted on any success with it.

Hey, that is cool

Dave H.
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Sunday, December 21, 2025, 14:15 (9 days ago) @ WB

Thanks for sharing!

Once at the Y-O gathering, Ernie French

WB
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Sunday, December 21, 2025, 15:13 (9 days ago) @ Dave H.

was so excited with a new caliber. Several of the industry guys used Encores in either 7mm-08 or .308 Win. This time Ernie had the new ".30 TC". I didn't want to pee in his cornflakes, but it just looked like a reshaped .308 with no capacity increase. I guess it made sense as he was not interested in NATO contracts or belt fed machine guns, mini-guns etc. This was a purpose made sporting round.

I remember it being chambered in some bolt rifles TC tried but it didn't really catch on. MUCH later it was necked to .264 caliber. The world was lit afire with the 6.5 Creedmore! Again not much different from the 6.5x55 Swede to me. But I hate to dampen enthusiasm. I guess with computer modeling and all they were able to "fix" some small ticks that might enhance accuracy and maximize performance within that limited envelope. If only by the marketing it seems to have worked. One dud dies to be reborn into a winner. 6.5's are OK but in the past if you mis-chose the bullet for the application you either shot clean though with little effect, or blew a big shallow wounding grater on the hit side. The Core Lockts were fragile and Noslers were a bit too tough. I know the 6.5 can perform. Perhaps the euro bullets, perfected over decades, were the trick dope.

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