The rifles were marked ".38 cal."?!! The .38-72 WCF "was" .38 caliber. They used it in the 1895 Win. It only adds to the speculation. Some DO say that .40-40 and .44-40 were too close?!
There was a .40-72 WCF (.407"), just a little smaller diameter than the .405 Win. (.411") and loaded with BP only. In fact the .401 WSL had the same diameter bullet as the older .40-72 WCF but with it's introduction in 1910, with powerful smokeless propellant, it was more powerful than the comparatively huge case .40-72 WCF. The 250 gr. WSL bullet was lighter than the 300/330 gr. .40-72 but it was 500 fps faster as well, out of the handy little M1910 semi-auto carbine. I saw where one polar expedition carried .38-72 Win. 1895 rifles for defense against polar bears and for taking large Walrus etc. I read one fellow busted off a round below deck and it traveled to the room above, bouncing around almost hitting several fellows. I think the chap later used the same rig to off himself in some time of despair.
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Cripes, ever win a bid you thought you had no chance?
- WB, 2026-03-10, 10:34
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Anyone stumble on the reason the .38-40 named so? It’s a .40 (nm)
- WB, 2026-03-10, 11:02
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Maybe 40-40 sounded too weird? (nm)
- Jim Taylor, 2026-03-10, 11:42
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Did it have 38 grs. of black powder?
- WB, 2026-03-10, 12:44
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Far as I know it was 40 gr. black powder...
- Jim Taylor, 2026-03-10, 15:36
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Last .38-40 I actually slugged mic’d 0.403”
- WB, 2026-03-10, 16:38
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I put in the first bid on a S&W model 657- no dash
- james, 2026-03-10, 16:54
- Wow. Nice gun. (nm) - Jim Taylor, 2026-03-10, 18:01
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I put in the first bid on a S&W model 657- no dash
- james, 2026-03-10, 16:54
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Last .38-40 I actually slugged mic’d 0.403”
- WB, 2026-03-10, 16:38
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Far as I know it was 40 gr. black powder...
- Jim Taylor, 2026-03-10, 15:36
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Did it have 38 grs. of black powder?
- WB, 2026-03-10, 12:44
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Maybe 40-40 sounded too weird? (nm)
- Jim Taylor, 2026-03-10, 11:42
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Anyone stumble on the reason the .38-40 named so? It’s a .40 (nm)
- WB, 2026-03-10, 11:02