Need load data for 41 GNR
Looking for misfits help with suggested loads for 41gnr in a Reeder customized Ruger Blackhawk, 7.5" barrel. I only have CCI primers available. Don't have a retailer close by with WLP. Don't really want to stock another primer unless necessary. Thank you for your help.
Very warm .41 Remington Mag. data is good to start
Slower powders like H110/296 and LilGun don't need to be less than 80% capacity under a bullet. For those specifically a "magnum" primer really helps. I have only actually had "squibs" with those nearing 100% capacity or even lightly compressed and using standard primers. I don't feel good with standard primers using those three. 4227 and 2400 are good but I always get unburned granules. No biggie.
Medium burn rate powders work very well for just under max. loads. More fun to shoot anyway. Refer to the warmer .41 Magnum data as the increased capacity will lower pressures.
Thanks for suggestion. I agree on 296/H110 I had the same
Experience with squib loads and hangfires. Used magnum primers.
Anyway, any experience with AA9 or maybe AA7. Leaning toward trying AA9. I may do some 2400 as you note to test also.
Thanks WB
any revolver that has had a slick action job is prone
to have squibs or misfires with CCI primers. They are extremely hard and take a heavier hammer fall to be reliable. My opinion only. And I would have to disagree with the comments on compressed loads. Many years ago Lee Jurras, who was a good friend, and who was the man behind Super Vel ammo, and who knew more about magnum handguns than anyone I know of, told me to always have lightly compressed loads in any magnum handgun and always use a magnum primer if you use ball powder like 296,H-110, 1680, #9 among others. Using lightly compressed loads and magnum primers with these powders I don't remember ever having a squib load. And up until this last year or so I would normally shoot 800 to 1000 rounds a week in test firing, mostly magnum loads and my handloads.
Clarify, compressed loads and cooler primers = squibs!
They seem to get buy well enough with non-compressed loads, some air space, they seem to work. Give you false confidence. Fill up that space with powder and what worked before now is a squib. It goes pift, and pushes the bullet maybe an inch. You'll find a greenish/yellow compressed singed powder biscuit at the back of the unburned power.
I've hammered out too many bullets for me. I'll not make that mistake again, on purpose.
I've had some misfires with CCI caps and my Super Redhawk, it demands pistol primers for sure. I load for Encores too that can manage rifle primers but I hate it when I get the ammo mixed, so I use only pistol caps now.
again I have to disagree with you. A lightly compressed
load of ball powder and a magnum primer will not give you a squib load. Leaving a space in the ball powder that allows the powder to move forward away from the primer flame will give you a squib load. As Lee told me once, ball powder has a light "plastic" coating and your primer has to burn thru that and the closer to the primer flame the better. One load he gave me for my 44 Auto Mag was 29 grains of powder. The case only holds 31 so it was a heavily compressed powder charge with Sierra 180 grain bullets but with 296 powder and the magnum primer and a heavy taper crimp it never failed to fire.
Another one is 3031 powder. Put a light load in there with a standard primer and you will get a squib load 90% of the time with that stinking yellow burnt powder in a big lump when you pull the case out. Run a fairly full load of powder, at least 85 to 90% case capacity and a magnum primer and no problem. The 3031 is not a ball powder but the squib situation runs true with this one too.
I don't recommend heavily compressed powder charges at all but I do recommend lightly compressed ball powder charges to keep the powder hard against the magnum primer flame.
I looked back over my notes from Lee and he shot
a minimum of 250,000 rounds of handgun ammo a year when he had Super Vel ammo. That is a level I will never reach but before we started switching Nate to doing most of the test firing, I was firing around 40,000 rounds a year. I kept track of the primers for tax purposes. And like I said above, as far as I can remember I have never had a squib load with lightly compressed ball powder and magnum primers. Other than a faulty primer, it just does not happen. Nuff said.
We are in total agreement! Not to confuse anyone
We've been in agreement the whole time. Standard operating procedure for top performance is a full case load of slow pistol powder and a MAGNUM primer.
But....try it just ONCE with a STANDARD primer and you likely will have a squib with the less powerful STANDARD primer. I have gotten away with it with less than full cases of powder but for some reason take that air space away and a STANDARD primer causes squibs. The MAGNUM primer goes boom every time! Use them exclusively with full charges of slow powder. If you do not have any MAGNUM primers then don't use that load until you get some, fair warning!
There are few displeasing feelings as having to use a hammer and hardwood dowel to pummel a stuck bullet from the throat of a revolver you just spent $2000 and the better part of a year collecting. Plus it's YOUR goofy fault!
A rare photo of the aftermath of a squib load using a case full of H110 and a STANDARD primer. Note the unburned clump of singed powder that was at the back of the charge. It quenched the primer's fire! The bullet is a 300 gr. FNGC.
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