It's been a while since I've proposed a bit wild idea

WB
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Thursday, January 04, 2018, 14:25 (3171 days ago)

And I've seen Denning with ammo and this style of "crimp" on it. An old Handloader Issue showed these fellows in the 60's "making" jacketed .475 bullets for their own use in various British Nitro cartridges. The time and type of fellows were never held back by something being not produced. I loved those old articles.

I've seen guys make wild jacketed bullets from brass fired casings, usually filling with poured lead. The resulting projectile usually has a wadcutter type nose unless special contouring is done in some other swage operation. The nose would be nice to make pointy for feeding or flight to point of impact. I saw these Hornady "Blank Ammunition" making dies. The one set runs from .22 caliber to .45 caliber for just under $100. It could be used to form up bullet jackets filled with poured lead or birdshot like the old COR-BON ammo. Pinch the nose shut like the old .22 RF ratshot and it holds up till impact. That might be cool.

Has anyone used this type of die? FWIW .40 S&W cases are about .429" as .45 ACP is .475" .223 is close to .375 etc.... Just for goofs.
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the only problem I see is the gouging of the front of

Gary Reeder
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Thursday, January 04, 2018, 17:09 (3171 days ago) @ WB

the chamber when those crimped edges open up. We have seen quite a few 22 rifles where the frontal area of the chamber was gouged and accumulated a lot of lead and it was all from the old crimped 22 shotshells opening with such pressure it gouges the chamber area. I have heard of it doing it to M-16 chambers also, but never actually saw a barrel messed up.

Yeah making blanks or shotshells you'd

WB
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Thursday, January 04, 2018, 18:47 (3171 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

probably maybe shoot a few hundred from any gun rather than thousands of target rounds. It's a neat trick for tinkering. I was considering it for making noses on swaged bullets from jacket hulls or fired cartridge cases.

Blanking dies

Bob Denning
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Thursday, January 04, 2018, 19:22 (3171 days ago) @ WB

The set comes with 2 dies a round over die and a star die.
I use the star die to make XTP type bullets. It takes a combo of unrelated dies to made a good bullet. I use one die to swage the front of the bullet to match the cylinder diameter. The shoulder of another die to make it pointy. A decapping die to make a hollow point ( to match the rhinestone)

Random notes.
Always leave the spent primer in. When I leave it out the lead separates from the case upon firing.

I have converted lee molds so I can pour lead into the case but my bullets are to inconsistent. Now I just use a smaller previously cast bullet and swage it into my annealed case using a die that has the same inside diameter of the finished bullet.

As I write this my wife and I are about to head into Muscat Oman for lunch and some crazy shopping. Here is a pic of the harbor. [image]

586 GNR

Bob Denning
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Thursday, January 04, 2018, 19:36 (3171 days ago) @ Bob Denning

Ever since I bought the “monster” from Gary I’ve been toying with making jacketed bullets for it. Current plan is to start with spent 50 ae brass. Anneal then expand (with homemade punch) to 585 cal. Another thought was to remove the rim from 510 gnr brass, anneal and expand. Although using 50ae brass saves me from removing a rim I end up with a boat tail type while I’m looking for a flat base. I’ll probably use the blanking round over die to lock in the lead.

Sounds like a heap of fun! Enjoy your trip!

WB
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Friday, January 05, 2018, 11:07 (3170 days ago) @ Bob Denning

I find it most amusing how we often pursue the same antics with no common consultation. lol That's sort of scary.

Just use copper rubbing

Blake
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Friday, January 05, 2018, 11:24 (3170 days ago) @ Bob Denning

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Tubing! stupid phone

Blake
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Friday, January 05, 2018, 11:25 (3170 days ago) @ Blake

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Shoot the little end caps may even be the ticket

Blake
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Friday, January 05, 2018, 11:27 (3170 days ago) @ Blake

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I found those pure copper HAWKs to be a little gummy

WB
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Friday, January 05, 2018, 13:46 (3170 days ago) @ Blake

in my bore. I was shooting a 300 gr. .430" at 2300 fps. They expanded wonderfully, textbook examples. No more than you'd actually be shooting in a hunting situation it causes no problems shooting at my handgun ranges.

The brass alloy, annealed, is supposed to be easier to work with. At 59 cal. who cares about expansion?!

Yea but the 586 is under 2000fps so it would find I bet

Blake
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Friday, January 05, 2018, 16:53 (3170 days ago) @ WB

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I’ve heard that’s how mr. Barns originally

Brent Foy
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Friday, January 05, 2018, 12:37 (3170 days ago) @ Blake

Started making bullets, copper tubing filled with lead.

shopping?? have you gone gay on us?

Gary Reeder
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Friday, January 05, 2018, 11:34 (3170 days ago) @ Bob Denning

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