I'm a sucker for unloved guns with extra holes drilled

WB
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 08:00 (3088 days ago)

You can get quite the bargain if you search for them. Back in the day it was common to mount the "Weaver" side scope mounts on all sorts of rifles never originally intended for optics. Bunches of fine Remington's are to be found, and Winchesters. All you have to do is clean them up and add some plug screws to the empty holes! This is a Winchester M43 standard grade that is still quite collectable. BUT, if I have it there is always that but, I paid $275 for this one in .218 BEE. I've seen just the magazines sell for almost $100 to some folks due to the rarity! Somebody had the barrel professionally (and it is an impressive example of gunsmithing skill) shortened from the rear about 3". Note how the rear sight is so close to the receiver! There must have been an issue with the chamber or throat. And someone drilled some side scope mounting holes in the receiver too! The front sight hood was missing as well. But a shootable .218 Bee for less than $300 who could pass on that?! That's my reasoning and how I end up with these old dogs.

A good friend gave me the little Weaver B4 scope that was better than the cloudy one that came with it. Actually M43's are drilled and tapped for the #18 weaver bases. I have no idea why someone would go to the trouble and drill for a side mount. The gun shoots adequately, not a strong action with only one locking lug and the bolt handle for a safety back-up. With my home cast and modified 45 gr. HPGC bullets I reduced my loading to 2450 fps and get about 1-1/2" 3-shot groups at 100 yds. About what the gun should do but I'm shooting cast bullets way over 2,000 fps! Very satisfying.

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I think I now will fill the side holes with flush plug screws and install an old Weaver K4 1" scope I have in my desk. I'll source some 40 yr. old Weaver rings for the job too. It should still look period. Not many guys around knowledgeable enough to know or challenge it anyway. The new glass will allow me to see better and maybe truly consider trying for a new adventure with it. I've never shot a Coyote and they are super spooky around here. Wouldn't that be something?!! (I'm trying to suppress wild fantasies of shooting Monkeys or small Deer in Africa or South America with this little rig)

My .218 BEE journey has added to my friendship via Mark, Randy, Todd, among several others, and Huey a whole bunch. They all have helped me learn more and assisted in allocating components, studying and modifying cast bullets. They made the learning process possible and it has so enriched my life. My favorite .218 BEE pet load is 8.0 grs. of LilGun with a Remington 7-1/2 Benchrest small rifle primer. I can tell a difference between the CCI 400 and Remington 7-1/2 caps, the latter seems less pressure and more consistent. This is a mild load that runs 2450 fps. I went up to 13 gr. but it flattened and cratered primers in my gun with any normal wt. bullet. The brass was obviously hammered pretty good too as the speeds for 45 gr. pills ran 2850 fps, some special Calhoun 30 gr. Silver Double-HP ran well over 3,300 fps! The Bee has some sting! This fast, special purpose, load seemed OK for limited use in my gun. I have backed off any attempts to hot load the Bee and settled on that mild cast bullet load for fun and longevity of my brass.

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Don't pass up on the old dogs, extra holes or not, they can lead you on a very satisfying adventure and introduce you to new lifelong friends. Nothing is by accident and I think it proper for us to embrace such opportunities that invite wonderful Blessings. My intent is to pass it on to my boys too.

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stonecold
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 09:18 (3088 days ago) @ WB

As always, your posts are interesting and informative. I enjoy them. Keep it up.

I have a conference in Hot Springs late April

WB
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 09:31 (3088 days ago) @ stonecold

and I guess I'll be flying solo. It would be a shame not to see if we could manage a visit to have a little show and tell session. I almost, almost, bought a Ruger American carbine like you showed me last visit. Barely got past it. lol

I have the worst Jones' for a CZ 527 in .17 Hornet. I know I'd have to by all my bullets (who ever cast .177's?!) but it sure looks like fun. Watching those little .17's burn through steel is super impressive. Luckily my want and $600 have not come together at the same time.

Hot Springs

stonecold
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 13:55 (3088 days ago) @ WB

Sounds like a good plan to me. Keep me posted as to when you will get over this way. My elbow has done well after the surgery, but doubt I will ever be shooting the .475 and other hard kickers again. Up to 44s and 45s but that may be it. That will kill everything I need to shoot anyway. I have been enjoying a lot of rifle shooting at a friend's back porch range out to 400 yards.

You need some Trail Boss and 300 gr. bullets

WB
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 14:05 (3088 days ago) @ stonecold

If you can shoot a .38 you could softball the biggies with trail boss.

Be careful looking at CZ 527 rifles

Mike Casselton
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 17:23 (3088 days ago) @ WB

They tend to breed in the safe. I have five of them.
This is my 17 Hornet and this is the ugly side of the stock. [image]

You can buy Nosler made bullets from Midsouth for under 10 bucks per hundred.
Last purchase I made was $35 per 500. I have a couple thousand.

I wish I didn't see that. Instant palm sweat.

WB
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 19:34 (3087 days ago) @ Mike Casselton

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Love my 218 Mashburn Bee

Randy Barnett
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 15:44 (3088 days ago) @ WB

I have a Coyote Classic with 8" barrel chambered in 218 Mashburn Bee. 34 grain He's travel at 2420 fps with a moderate dose of H2400.

Scotty, could your bore be

Mike Casselton
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 17:14 (3088 days ago) @ WB

A 222 or 223 diameter instead of 224?
If it is, then that would explain the pressure signs with normal loads.
Did the cast bullets show pressure early? Prolly not?

You know, I'm not sure. I thought the .222/3 CF

WB
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Tuesday, March 27, 2018, 19:32 (3087 days ago) @ Mike Casselton

were from the very early Springfield days and the initial .22 Hornets from .22 WCF. (and the .22 Jet S&W revolvers) The M43 dates early post war. I have read they often have headspace issues with hot loads which may suggest the reason for the barrel oddity. They say it can set the bolt back. FYI. No reason though for losing 3" though.

I bet the twist is goofy slow compared to what we use in .22 today.

a few weeks ago i picked up a

carl hackney
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Wednesday, March 28, 2018, 10:12 (3087 days ago) @ WB

old savage 219 in 22 hornet it has holes drilled and tapped for a old side mount scope plus it also has weaver bases on it . it came with a very old weaver G6 scope mounted in burris z rings using metal spacers to adapt the 3/4" tube to the 1" rings .I would love to find a original side mount for the G6.a few old timers told me that the gun and scope dates from before WW2 and to shoot only lighter bullets as the barrel twist is very slow somewhere around 1 in 16" 45sp with 12g lil gun is what I've tried so far with good accuracy 1 1/4" @ 100 yards sure is a neat little rifle for $200

I ahve (2) .410's on that chassis. Nice!

WB
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Wednesday, March 28, 2018, 11:58 (3087 days ago) @ carl hackney

I'll see what my side mounts are. I have two for the smaller diameter ".22 size" scopes. I'm not familiar with the G series. Mine are "B", a B4 actually and I had a B6 6x15.

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