Doug and I were talking about universal rifles
WB
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 09:32 (3074 days ago)
for hunting. We both agree typically that would be a good .300-.388 bolt gun with good optic magnification range. But we are Misfits. He has the Blazer in 9.3X62 and I have a BRNO .416 Rigby. Such is life. My current glass is a Leupold VXIII 1.5-5X that runs short when ranges get closer to 200 yds.
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Scopes like mine bring outlandish prices on Ebay. I think I can sell it and fetch more than enough to get a good VXII 3-9X 40mm or even a VXIII 3.5-10X. That would really help me to see better if eye relief can be managed.
I love the Rigby and don't know if I should go that route or leave it as is and drop to my beloved M98 in .30-06. It has a fine classic Redfield 3-9X 40 already. Not a bad brace for hunting and world trotting fantasies.
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Is .388 a typo - just wonderin'...
backroadsrambler
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 09:42 (3074 days ago) @ WB
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Yeah .338, finger slip. There is the .366 though.
WB
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 10:22 (3074 days ago) @ backroadsrambler
and my .375 sizer is .377, lol. I have a BAR .338 I shoot some. It is a sweet soft shooting blaster. You can't take semi-autos many places today. It's banned in many foreign countries and even US states for hunting too. An Assault rifle it's labeled.
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9;3x62
CHIPKING
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 18:32 (3073 days ago) @ WB
A Reederized CZ 550 chambered in 9;3x62
What scope is that? I have a project that could use similar
Brant
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Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 00:33 (3073 days ago) @ CHIPKING
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2x Nikon pistol scope
CHIPKING
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Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 18:56 (3072 days ago) @ Brant
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I have a 300win and would be hard pressed
Drdougrx
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 09:58 (3074 days ago) @ WB
to consider it as anything other than the #1 contender for my one and only rifle needs for any critter between chipmunks and rhino. I currently use a 200gr accubond on top of 72gr of RL22. Pretty decisive.
As ferocious a cannon as that seems and is
WB
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 10:30 (3074 days ago) @ Drdougrx
My old 6-shot, 8 lb., O6' with the same bullet and powder is only about 100 yds. farther back. How big a disadvantage that is would be good campfire discussion.
The checkered steel Niedner butt plate is a bit unforgiving even with the .30-06 with T-shirt attire! But it really gives the M98 gun a custom hand built look. As much as I spent, on the old 1908 DWM Brazil contract gun, I need that. The barrel is a med. wt. 4-groove from WWI, Timmeny Trigger, MKII safety, 1909 floorplate, Claro Walnut, and Ebony wood from Africa as a forend tip. I glassed the action and floated the barrel from the end of the chamber. The old gun shoots pretty good.
I've been thinking of doing a modern take..
Gus S.
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 11:53 (3074 days ago) @ WB
.. on a classic configuration along this same idea. I've got a nice shooting stainless 3 screw trigger Savage in a B&C stock. I was thinking about switching it to a 30-06 with a muzzle break and an 1-4 Leupold scope. Maybe iron sights with a peep for the rear just for giggles. I have everything on hand except for getting the muzzle break done.
For a bolt together kit it could be a lot of fun.
I took an 06 as one of my guns
IC
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 15:44 (3074 days ago) @ WB
when I went last year. Even though I didn't use it, I would take it again.
Thinking about a 30 cal backup rifle
MTM
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 10:46 (3074 days ago) @ WB
As an African plains game rifle. If I can make the trip, something along the lines of a 30-06, 300 win mag with 3.5x10 or 4x12-40 mm scope. I would love to take everything with the 378GNR Encore pistol, but need a powerful enough back up, just in case. A 30 cal with good 180 grain bullets, should be fine as a hopefully not used backup. I actually like the 06.
I regretted every time that .....
SMH
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 13:17 (3074 days ago) @ MTM
I settled for something that should be fine and hopefully not used.
One thing I got from Africa postings was that you just may want to take something bigger that you were not planning on. Personally, I would not take a chance of turning a Hunt of a Lifetime into a Regret of a Lifetime by coming back with a "you should have seen the one that got away" story because I didn't have the right tools.
You got that right SMH
Howard
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 16:17 (3073 days ago) @ SMH
Years ago I bought a Christmas sale 8mmGNR barrel and thought "this is bigger than I'll ever need". A couple of years later I was in AK looking at my first grizzly and thought "I need something bigger". I know the cartridge was up to the task if I did my part but the simple phrase "use enough gun" is eternally valid. And enough practice at 200 or more yards is essential for handgun hunters.
South Africa is a big country so
Df
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 16:43 (3073 days ago) @ MTM
obviously the terrain is varied. We ended up taking some longer shots than I believed due to the fact this area had sone areas with limited cover. I was glad my hunting partner had a 300 WM with a nice 4.5 x20 scope. Sure, it was heavy and no fun on the stalk, but confidence was high out to 300. That is more scope than you need but it was neat when the guide said “are you on it? “ then cranked my magnification until I was really on it. My zebra and eland were basically bam flop and they are tough animals. With the tools available today, use enough gun should be supplemented by use enough glass. I have a 340 weatherby that may make the next trip (I really want to just handgun) consistent with Gary’ great advice above. When you have paid for the trip, you want to score and cheaping out on equipment is not sound in my opinion. YMMV
Of course, if you’re Huey, just take a
Df
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 16:47 (3073 days ago) @ Df
25-20. But don’t miss!
A miss is a miss whether a 25-20 or 470 NE....
Huey
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 18:33 (3073 days ago) @ Df
The 25-20 was a one shot one kill.
No crap my friend
Df
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 18:40 (3073 days ago) @ Huey
I will be better next year. Props to you and Darren for doing it old style!
Better? You took awesome animals this year...
Huey
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 18:56 (3073 days ago) @ Df
Magnificent to be more accurate.
the caliber is not as important as bullet placement. A shot
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 16:07 (3074 days ago) @ WB
in the ass with a 458 is still a shot in the ass. In Africa always shoot the largest caliber you shoot well. There is no such thing as being "overgunned" in Africa. On small animals like a Red Duiker, at 15 lbs, a 375 H&H will just punch a 375 caliber hole in and a 375 Caliber hole out. It will not open up on a small animal. Forget what works here in the states. African animals are extremely hard to put down. The best advice I can tell you is pick the largest caliber you would shoot here in the states and go up one caliber.
as a "for instance" Kase shot a Kudu (500 lb animal
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 16:36 (3073 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
with his 416 Rigby. The Kudu jumped up in front of him at about 40 yards. Kase hit him up the ass with a 400 grain soft point. The Kudu flipped end over end. When we got almost up to him he jumped up and ran. Kase hit him again up the ass. Again he flipped end over end and got up and ran again. We tracked him for a while until it got dark. We were back at daylight the next morning and found him about 25 yards from where we quit. Everything inside him was mush. Both bullets were under the skin of his chest. His internals were totally destroyed, yet he ran several hundred yards before he fell.
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On another hunt Colleen shot a Gray Duiker (maybe 25 lbs), with a 270 she borrowed from John. Our guns were a day late getting there. The Duiker flipped end over end at the shot, got up and ran. When we got to where the animal had fallen his heart was in a bush behind where he stood. yet he ran at least 200 yards with no heart.
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On another hunt we spotted a big Impala that was going uphill from us. John told me to hit him. Again another Texas heart shot. Up the ass with the 378 GNR at about 60 yards. The bullet exited at center chest. The Impala fell but got up and ran. When we got to where I hit him all his guts were in a pile where he fell. The 378 had blown everything out yet he ran at least another 250 to 300 yards before he gave up.
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So I am not telling you not to bring your 270 or 30-06 but if you shoot a larger caliber as well, bring it. Probably 90% of my Africa animals have fallen with one or at most 2 shots but you want your African hunt to be a hunt to remember, not one where you wished you had done differently.
Jumping in the thread late. I shoot an -06 well. I
O’ Gary
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Tuesday, April 10, 2018, 17:52 (3073 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
have a 300 Win Mag in the works and should be ready by April 2019.
Gary finished a 475 GNR carbine barrel for me. Would a fast(ish) 275gr Speer bullet be sufficient for Africa?