Bear protection
OkieStan
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 15:27 (3035 days ago)
This is a strictly academic question for me but here goes.
Given the choice of single action, double action, or semi auto (10mm).
What would be the choice of the experts for bear protection both brown and black.
Single action is probably most reliable.
Double action can be fired without cocking the hammer if the bear is chewing on you.
Semi auto can, at least for me, be fired more accurately.
The closest I have and probably will ever be to a bear was the black bear that collapsed the corner of my tent stepping on my leg. Truth is he was more scared than me.
Glock G40 Longslide 10mm..220gr hard cast loaded hot
Woody
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 16:37 (3035 days ago) @ OkieStan
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One could do lots worse! Not bad for 2 legged bear, 15 shots
WB
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 16:41 (3035 days ago) @ Woody
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No bear is stopping a 40cal 220gr hard cast @ 1250fps
Woody
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 16:47 (3035 days ago) @ WB
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bullshit. I hit a big bear with 2 extremely hot loaded
Gary Reeder
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 17:02 (3035 days ago) @ Woody
510 GNRs at point blank range and it didn't even slow him down. A hot loaded 10mm is hog medicine, not a bear.
What I mean't was you will get deep penetration and
Woody
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Saturday, May 19, 2018, 02:23 (3035 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
likely full penetration with the 220gr hardcast at 1250fps.
Kase shot a big hog at the Hot & Nasty with his
Gary Reeder
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Saturday, May 19, 2018, 10:17 (3034 days ago) @ Woody
10mm longslide and HOT Doubletap ammo. He hit him 3 times, 2 broadside and one up the ass as he ran off. We had to track him down and finish him with his 378 GNR. The hog would have died in a while anyway as his internals were mush but the rounds didn't put him down immediately. The 10mm is a great cartridge, one of my favorites but is not the do-all cartridge. In fact I don't think there is such a thing as a do-all cartridge.
Gary`s right
james
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Sunday, May 20, 2018, 12:02 (3033 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
"The 10mm is a great cartridge, one of my favorites but is not the do-all cartridge. In fact I don't think there is such a thing as a do-all cartridge.".......After handgunning a bunch of wild things these words take on a whole new meaning.....![[image]](images/uploaded/201805201901535b01c621027dd.jpg)
you need to stop smokin' dope. It is bad for you.
Gary Reeder
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 17:03 (3035 days ago) @ Woody
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And I was just ready to move to Colorado
Woody
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Saturday, May 19, 2018, 08:29 (3035 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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first off what guns are right for a black bear are probably
Gary Reeder
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 17:00 (3035 days ago) @ OkieStan
no good at all for a brown bear, the 10mm for instance. As far as a revolver, nothing less than a 475 Linebaugh should be considered. And our 500 GNR, 501 GNR, 510 GNR or the 500 Linebaugh would be even better. A 460 or 500 S&W has more power but the downside of that is you are carrying an anvil on your hip.
I have danced with 3 bears thru the years and in none of the instances did my round of choice put it down real quick. Any bear when pissed off can be almost impossible to put down cleanly. And a pissed off brown bear, almost twice the size of a Grizzly, can be even harder to put down.
Shot placement is paramount in taking something that can eat you. The only problem with that is seldom do you have time to accurately place your bullet in the right spot. So you have to rely on brute power to break the bear down. That brings us back to the calibers. Start with a 475 Linebaugh and work up from there.
DA or SA? Which one are you better with? In 2 of my bear dances I had DA revolvers, one in 44 Magnum and the other 41 GNR. I was puckered up so tight I have no idea if I shot DA or SA. So go with whichever you are more comfortable with.
Thanks all
Okiestan
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 17:15 (3035 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
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.510 GNR with the 350 grain bullet.
Larry Fry
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 17:15 (3035 days ago) @ OkieStan
Single action conversion from a Ruger Super Blackhawk. For the 6 years I carried it in Alaska I never felt undergunned. Bullet placement is critical like Gary said below. IF and ONLY IF you have time to aim, hit it in the frame, preferably in the shoulder. That will stop them, if you do not hit the frame it will pass through them and they will still come after you. Witness the guy in the Denali area that was charged by a Brown Bear in 2008, he shot the charging bear with a .338 win mag and the bullet went right through and did not even slow the bear down. The bullet went through the heart according to the game warden I talked with and that was the only thing that saved the guy. A bears heart beats about 8 times per minute so even after a heart shot they can still go a long ways before they lay down and die. Remember a bear is down on all fours when charging so think of the angle the guy had to have shot him and still missed hitting the frame. When it comes to bears you can't have enough gun.......JMHO for what its worth dept!
Many know I'm totally scared of Bears...
WB
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 18:12 (3035 days ago) @ OkieStan
What I DID carry in AK was my Reeder Custom #6 in .510 GNR. Doug carried a DA 5-shot Reeder Redhawk Custom using the same ammo. I think Sean had a .475 or .500 cal. DA, can't remember. Andy had the sissy gun, a .455 GNR SA. lol.
After I saw 2-3 Grizzlies in the wild about 25-30 ft. from me. I carried the .510 to take a pee outside, and slept with it under my pillow. Many say that phrase but I ACTUALLY DID IT, accidentally fingering it in the night was safe being a SA. I wanted something that would penetrate that thick wet rug of a hide they have and any energy absorbing fat or bone too. This was serious business to me. If there had be a .520 GNR I would have desired it. I just knew it would eat me anyway, the stories of George, and guys getting off ONE fast shot with a .375 H&H. He killed the bear with that shot, but after it broke the guy's neck with a paw slap. George said he kind of liked that guy. AK folks are a different breed.
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Doug has a camo flap holster under his left arm.
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That's Denali in the background, our morning view out the cabin window.
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My wife and I went morel mushroom picking
Bob D
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 21:35 (3035 days ago) @ WB
Today in Seeley-Swan (last year they had the rice ridge fire). The area is known for grizzly bears but I wanted an easy carry gun. So I took a kimber 45 with hollow points and my wife carried a S&W mod 60 with 38sp. We picked for a couple hours then got in the truck to drive farther. About 1/2 mile down the road a really big Grizzly bear ran in front of us. Ran up a rise 150 ft away, stopped and watched us.
How many times do you carry the “right” gun and never need it. So you get lazy and either don’t carry one at all or not the right one. We were about a week early for mushrooms so you can bet next week I’m bringing my 500 max T&A with me. My wife says she will step up to 357 loads
dang, Denning did something sensible...amazing
Gary Reeder
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Friday, May 18, 2018, 22:20 (3035 days ago) @ Bob D
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A lot better than that guy with the compact 9mm
WB
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Saturday, May 19, 2018, 06:52 (3035 days ago) @ Bob D
He sort of tried to endorse the 147 gr. loads for some add copy but you could tell he was just lucky. Anyone with a handgun and Bear is. I'd much prefer a .338-.416 class rifle. But you couldn't carry as many shrooms.
Hey I guess your little HI stepdaughter is out of harms way?!
for WB, who obviously has the hots for Denning's
Gary Reeder
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Saturday, May 19, 2018, 10:29 (3034 days ago) @ WB
daughter..Samantha Red Elk
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I'm really empathetic worrying about our kids
WB
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Saturday, May 19, 2018, 12:23 (3034 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
She also went to Virginia Tech. I understand she snagged a really nice job far away from home in HI at a large Hotel chain applying her major. I was worrying about her location in relation to the Volcano activity. Sam is about 2-3 yrs. older than Roman. I'm old enough for her to be my granddaughter! She seems to be a salty young lass able to take care of herself. Both the girls in fact.