Thinking about a 416 GNR Carbine
Grover Sr
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 06:38 (3031 days ago)
Barrel. I just want to step up from the 256 Falcon in case I take the plunge on a bison or bear hunt. Anyone out there using one?
That's a heck of a step! I have one
WB
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 07:12 (3031 days ago) @ Grover Sr
Any of the GNR's on the .348/.50 AK case are tops. The cases can be a little expensive but last the longest of any of my GNR cartridges. I use Winchester .348 brass, it's the easiest for me to fireform. Sometimes a little trimming is required but that's it. Better to have too much than too little. I make a .348 Winchester blank by filling the case to the neck with fast pistol powder and using tissue for a stopper so I don't spill it. Speer makes a 350 gr. .416 bullet that is very effective and economical that will take anything on the planet. Deer/hogs to Buffalo with ease.
You might consider the easy to overlook .440 GNR on the same case, just a little bigger. It's fantastic ability to shoot inexpensive .44 handgun bullets is great. I have been wanting to re-form some .425 Westley Richards slugs into suitable .440 GNR projectiles (410 gr. -.435" to .430"). But ditto, the .476 GNR and .475 pistol bullets and .470 Nitro Express bullets (I have NOT tried the latter but have some). *Gary's .475 GNR uses blown straight .45-70 cases for a slightly less dramatic version too. How bad do you really want to be? I also have not tried the .450 GNR that uses .458 bullets, very versatile.
But I must have have confused you. For panache and flatter trajectory, a worthy consideration for a carbine, the .416 and 350 gr. bullets would be great. Mine is 13+2" with a brake (I think). I wanted to mimic Dr. Bill Firman's Elephant taking combo for my own fun. I cast my own .416 325/375 gr. GC bullets and use trail boss for great useful fun. ANYONE could handle those and it would still shoot clean through about anything.
Couple pics
WB
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 09:06 (3031 days ago) @ WB
I actually prefer the longer necked .348 Winchester brass trimmed to my individual chamber length. The .50 AK case rounds require no trimming other than maybe squaring off for looks. But that is fun stuff. HAWK makes pure copper and lead, jacketed bullets, custom for about anything. They are not that bad pricey. The copper is a little gummy in the bores but they expand and perform wonderfully aside from that.
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Thanks WB I might just
Grover Sr
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 09:54 (3031 days ago) @ WB
Go with the 440 GNR. Using 44 pistol bullets would make for fun plinking under 300 gr. Then I could load up with 300+ gr for bigger game.
Some .440 pics...
WB
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 11:33 (3031 days ago) @ Grover Sr
Freshly formed to my chamber from .348 blanks. You can see what needs to be trimmed. The brass was into the throat a little, that's what I trim back. 50 AK brass is shorter and this does not happen, it's simply necked down in the FL die.
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Same principle applied to the .50-95 Win. I cut the necks half off first, then fireform with a blank.
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These 265 gr. look and are trick. We found them too light for hogs, they open up fast. Worked great on Sika bucks which are basically little Elk.
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I took my .440 GNR handgun to AK for Black Bear, and I'd do it again. I was trying to choose a Black Bear bullet, all worked fine.
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Thanks WB when trimming down the 338
Grover Sr
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 12:04 (3031 days ago) @ WB
Brass does a regular crank handled brass trimmer work ok?
Meant 338
Grover Sr
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 12:26 (3031 days ago) @ Grover Sr
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I assume he meant 348 brass?
Gary Reeder
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 13:14 (3031 days ago) @ Grover Sr
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Yes but a motor drill driven assist helps or just
WB
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 13:59 (3031 days ago) @ Gary Reeder
use the easy to find 50 AK brass that require nothing. It's up to you. Plus if you eventually split or screw one up you can shorten it into a .500 Maximum, or .500 Linebaugh, or .510 GNR depending on the damage LOL.
I also made some bitchin' (Denning did too) .510 GNR shotshells that held upwards of 1/2 oz. of shot!
Thanks, 440 GNR is definitely my next choice!
Grover Sr
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 14:18 (3031 days ago) @ WB
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With top loads I got a 300 gr. at 2300 fps for
WB
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 14:54 (3031 days ago) @ Grover Sr
one of my most powerful hunting handguns, some 3500 ft. lbs. muzzle energy. Plus it has flat trajectory and less punishing recoil than say the .416 punting 400's at 1900 fps.
Yep, meant 348 brass, darn pain pills
Grover Sr
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Tuesday, May 22, 2018, 13:29 (3031 days ago) @ Grover Sr
Have me all fuzzed up