reading one of my magazines in the "reading room" this

Gary Reeder
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Friday, June 22, 2018, 11:09 (3000 days ago)

morning and an article really ticked me off. One of the gun writers who has been a writer for eons and who should know better, suggested the 250 Savage or the 32 WCF for bull elk. He said he had shot a couple dozen bull elk with the 250 Savage. What the idiot didn't tell us was how many he wounded and lost.

Now the 250 Savage is a great deer and antelope round but it is not an elk cartridge. And yes it can take a bull elk, with the perfect shot and the exact bullet placement but that is not often offered and the writer talked about taking long shots with it. Any shot other than that "perfect" shot is a wounding shot. I can be criticized, and rightfully so, for shooting big game with a cartridge that some would consider too light, that being my 41 GNR. But I try not to recommend it to others for big game.

I have a little less respect for Safari Magazine for even running that story and I have a lot less respect for Wayne Van Zwoll for promoting that cartridge for bull elk. I wish all the gun writers had the honesty and common sense that John Taffin has. I guess John has spoiled me thru the years. But I thank John for that.

Kind of like Jack O'Connor wrote touting

Grover Sr
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Friday, June 22, 2018, 11:33 (3000 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

The .270 for any North American game. I heard, but don't know for sure, he actually hunted with one of the more potent 30 caliber round.

Jack's brother lives (or maybe lived) just south of us

Gary Reeder
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Friday, June 22, 2018, 11:41 (3000 days ago) @ Grover Sr

down in Sedona. He stopped in the shop with a friend. His friend asked if I knew who Jack O'Conner was. I told him I did and he said this is Jack's brother. I asked him if he was a 270 fanatic too. He laughed and said just between us Jack very seldom used the 270. He had a deal with the gun company and cartridge company that he would promote that cartridge and their rifle and they would pay for his hunts with the rifle. He actually loved the 9.3 X 62 and his wife used the 7 X 57 on all their hunts. He used the 9.3 but wrote the story up that the game was taken with the 270. Take this as a second hand story but I saw no reason for the old gentleman to lie to me.

I'V E HEARD THE SAME THING FROM SEVERAL SOURCES

JT
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Friday, June 22, 2018, 12:39 (3000 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

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Some are promoting inadequate equipment...

SMH
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Friday, June 22, 2018, 12:55 (3000 days ago) @ JT

for the job, with specific exceptions like perfect shot placement, that will cause pain resulting in long agonizing death, all for the sake of self enrichment. And they call us humans and them animals. I know it's a fact of life but still goes against my morals, and, from what I see on this forum, against morals of many if not all of the Misfits.

I read (and personally believe) that Jack

WB
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Friday, June 22, 2018, 13:14 (3000 days ago) @ Gary Reeder

was an advocate of the .416 Rigby. Not near as popular back then as even now. John Wooters liked the .416 but wrote more about eh .416 Taylor which I think if a grand idea, even more so than the .416 Remington which had been done previously by Ackley I think. Besides bullets Rigby brass was a problem. Most were berdan primed until very late.

The old article said O'Connor lathe turned the belts off the .378 Weatherby and necked up resizing to make boxer primed .416 Rigby cases. I've never tried it and I'm not sure if I could muster the heart to ruin a huge belted case to see. Maybe just once in the name of science.

While on old sage men of yore... I forget the name at this moment but everyone would recognize it from the 50's and 60's. A famous hunter and ctg. developer. He reportedly used to place (2) unfired "magnum" rifle primers atop the 100+ gr. charge before seating his big stopper bullets in the cases! There was no rebuttal or explanation to this trick but I must draw some conclusions of my own. Perhaps he had some super-human insight that this might help ignite more powder as it burned toward the front of the powder column. Man, I don't venture more of a guess. Interesting and humorous though. I don't guess it would really hurt even if it did absolutely nothing other than satisfy his personal talisman. But it's not anything I'd want to try.

It was one primer on top of the propellent.

WIL TERRY
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Friday, June 22, 2018, 17:35 (3000 days ago) @ WB

John Buhmiller.
And so it goes...

That's it! Giving it to it from both ends.

WB
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Friday, June 22, 2018, 19:28 (2999 days ago) @ WIL TERRY

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